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Johnson on Ullmark's squandered performance, Senators' attempting a comeback and Martone's rising stardom
21 Apr 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Guys, before we talk to Mike Johnson, I want Marty Brodeur. I'm having a tough couple minutes here. Man, you've got to watch yourself. Swearing. Swearing and Marty Brodeur. Marty Baron, kick off our new analytics segment. Yes. Welcome, everyone, to This or Data. All right, there's Mike Johnson. Johnny, I mean, that's pretty good stuff, right? Pretty good production level here.
Uh-oh, and then it's Mike. Now we can't hear him. There he is.
We got you. Now we got you.
Go ahead. Continue. What's going on?
Chapter 2: What insights does Mike Johnson provide about Ullmark's performance?
What's going on?
We got you. Dis or data?
Dis or data? Dis or data? Spare no expense. Marty Burrell is a big star. Or Marty Berder. I'm going to try not to swear. I think I got that all out of our system last time. Just casually just dropping these words. Now, dis or data? I'm doing some data. Whole question for the crew here. What is a more annoying afternoon? Because I did both this afternoon. Dentist or taxes? Dentist.
Tough, tough afternoon.
Depends on what you're getting at the dentist. Like, if you're going through a real operation, that is very punishing. You know, if you're root canals, you know, you've got a bridge issue. If it's just a standard, you know... Cavity or cleaning. And I would say taxes is more painful because if you miss something, you're in trouble, right? The dentist isn't going to get you in trouble.
The CRA is going to come knocking. That's a very different story. That is true. But, I mean, last time I was at the dentist, they told me they were just going to do a routine thing. And then, remember, I looked like I had a stroke, like they had ā They had frozen everything, and I couldn't talk, and I was swollen. They did some sort of bridge or something. I didn't even know about it.
They didn't even tell me about it. Well, they've got to tell you what's going on. You can't have that kind of... They did not tell me. They just started operating. That's dangerous, dude. I barely made the show. Just running around in there. Yeah, that's like... I'm not sure they're qualified to do that. I was Kramer with Mel Torme. That's what I was. That's right. I was trying to say. Mel Torme.
I love it. It was tough. How long have you been on your own? Well... So, Johnny, what kind of data do we have? What numbers are sticking out in the playoffs? Johnny, who's dominating because of numbers? Give us something to chew on.
Okay, interesting. I think a lot of people might be surprised. Philadelphia, Pittsburgh. Philly up 2-0. Pitt had this great year. I talked to you guys about Pittsburgh being the number one 5-on-5 goal scoring team since January. But what people don't realize, when it comes to chances, low event, expected goals, high danger chances against Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, surprisingly good.
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Chapter 3: What statistics highlight the strengths of the Pittsburgh Penguins?
Give up everything. You look at Zegers there, you look at young guys, Mieczko, Marton's a kid. I mean, these are forwards. Obviously, the defense is going to have to factor in, but it's not like they have the 70s Habs defense back there either. Isn't that another example of the coach is the one that's going to drive home the performance of the team?
Players got to follow suit, but if you get your message across and demand it's played a certain way, you can have this level of success.
Yes, except they don't score well either, though. That's the flip side. It's not like they can do both. They can defend excellent, but they don't score well. So, you know, you can get guys to buy innocent. I mean, Austin Matthews, the best player in the Toronto Maple Leafs, he's a good defensive player. He plays well defensively. But all the rest of the stuff, you're right. You should...
As a coach, if you're not worried about scoring, be able to turn any group of NHL players or just about any group of NHL players into a good or at least average defensive team. And the Leafs were never that this year. And maybe the conversation might not be, could he do it? I'm not sure if, like, did they ever try to pivot and say, listen, maybe we got to try something totally different.
Like, let's lock it down for a bit. Let's see if we can just become something different. Because the way we're trying it, it's not working. And then maybe we have to switch something up. Maybe that's the bigger conversation. I'm not sure if they tried to play, like, Philadelphia at times this year. But, yeah, like, they don't have a great defense. But they do have a lot of good forwards. Like...
like whether it's Noah Cates or Couturier or Glenn Denning or Forster or Bobby Brink when he was there, like they had a lot of good defensive forwards that could also sort of chip in to go along with the Mieczkows and the Zegers who don't. But yeah, I mean, watching any team that's good defensively only makes the teams that are bad defensively look worse.
Absolutely. Better chance of going up 2-0 tonight, Buffalo or Montreal? Buffalo.
Buffalo, for sure. Not that I don't believe in Montreal. I just think Tampa is certainly much better than Boston. And I just think the Bruins will really regret not getting game one. Because... The Bruins are carried by some great players. Pasta, Geeky, Zaka was pretty good, McAvoy's great, and Swayman. So they have some really great players, but they don't play a great team game.
And they know it. You talk to people around the Bruins, like, we get outshot, we get outchanced, or we go against the run of play, but we have these great difference makers that can win games for us. So, hey, I'm thinking... Buffalo, second time through, through the jitters. Can you expect Swayman to stand on his head for 36 of 39 again? I don't think so. Not against that offense.
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Chapter 4: Can the Senators make a comeback in the playoffs?
Okay, quick, I didn't see the first hour. Did everyone agree with the offside call on Jordan's call?
No, I didn't even think it was offside.
noodles i thought it was offside but it's if by interest you know i mean again we don't know his he believes he has control of it like that's the thing like we're not in his mind i thought that was on side i just hate the rule yeah i just hate the rule i think it's 100 with jeff o'neill like these are nhl players i don't need to touch the puck with my stick to have control of it
I can handle it on my skates. I can skate away with it. He already touched it once, and maybe it wasn't a perfect position, but there's no one near him.
Chapter 5: How is Porter Martone's performance impacting the Flyers?
Remember how Pavel Bure used to just kind of push the puck into an area while he was skating with it? He never had control of it. He kind of would just skate like this, and he'd shove it a little bit, shovel it. I thought it was ridiculous, man. That was not offside.
Yeah. Well, you don't have... The rule doesn't stipulate you have to have it on your blade, but I think because he only touched it once and never kind of re-handled it on the way across, but I'm like, he's got possession. Does he have control? To me, he did. To them, he didn't. But anyways... That would have been... Can you imagine if Carolina lost that game?
Like, how big that story would be, and how we would be dissecting the English language to a point of nausea? Like, it would be awful. And that's sort of the risk you run with these kind of rules. But anyways, as far as the game, Ottawa can't feel good. They're down 0-2. But Ottawa played in that game, the second half of the game, more than good enough to win. And Tim Stutzla...
We'll be having nightmares until next April. He will never in his life. in his life, play a game the same he just played and not score. He will never generate those clean looks and not score. He had an empty netter in the first shift of the game. He somehow managed to shoot it off the side of the net. They had all these chances in overtime. They had five posts.
Brady in front. That was the best chance of the game, in my opinion. I can't believe Freddie did that. This one hits the post, goes behind Freddie. I know, but I hear they're both great chances, but Freddie's waiting for him. Freddie had no idea Kachuk was there. It just hit him. He just didn't get enough on him.
Brady needed another two inches higher, and he would have had it in the back of the net. So I guess what Ottawa would be saying, listen, we got... Mantempalo playing 40 minutes of a double overtime game, and we generated as much or more as that game went along. We got Jordan Spence playing 45 minutes. Like, we have some issues on the back end, and we are right there with them.
In fact, we probably should have won that game. So I guess you're trying to tell yourself, do it again. Find a way to get off the mat. Play in our home building. Timmy will score those goals. Their power play's got to get much better. But, you know... Get the next one, and then try to feel like you're back in the series. But that's a gut-punch game.
To go that deep, play that well, have your goalie do that good noodles, and lose? That's brutal.
That's what O said. Not that it wasted, but that performance from Allmark, that's the best I've seen him play. That's literally the best game I've ever seen him play. I thought he was unbelievable.
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