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OverDrive - January 21, 2026 - Hour 1 - Kelly McCrimmon

21 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What did Terry Pegula say about the Bills' playoff defeat?

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This hour of Overdrive is powered by FanDuel. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score.

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8.105 - 23.009 Bryan Hayes

All right, here we go. Overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker. Up on TSN 4, Brian Hazio, Doug, Jeff O'Neill, and Jason Strudwick in here. What's happening this afternoon?

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23.069 - 39.343 Jeff O'Neill

There he is. My main man, Jerry Pagula. You damn screwed up, Jerry. You damn screwed up, man. That's just the way you run HBO. You're Jerry Pagula.

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39.403 - 43.387 Bryan Hayes

You're calling me Jerry Pagula. That's what you're calling me.

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43.467 - 49.733 Jeff O'Neill

As soon as I heard that, I'm like, oh, my God. Finkel is Einhorn and Hayes is Jerry Pagula.

49.833 - 59.367 Bryan Hayes

It's a damn act together. Do you know what he's referencing here, Strud? That Terry Pagula, the owner of the Bills, had an absolute disaster of a press conference this morning.

Chapter 2: How are the Maple Leafs preparing for their matchup against the Red Wings?

60.388 - 63.413 Bryan Hayes

And for some reason, I am Jerry Pagula.

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63.734 - 87.897 Jeff O'Neill

You are, man. The thing that I don't understand, guys, is what about those comments? Like, ugh. Isn't there some kind of prep going? I guess you can't prep someone for saying something that's stupid, can you? Like, you're a PR guy. You're not going to say to the owner, man, hey, don't go off the rails here and say something stupid like this. Like, exactly what happened? I can't believe it, man.

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87.997 - 113.755 Jeff O'Neill

I can't believe that press conference. And Mike Greenberg had a great tweet where he said... They've done the unthinkable in Buffalo, where the job to coach Josh Allen may become just a little bit less attractive now because of this nonsense, which is a great tweet, and it's so true. How could you possibly make that job less attractive? It's probably the best job in football right now.

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113.735 - 127.512 Jason Strudwick

But do you think that he prepared? I think he'd want to come out prepared and ready to manage your comments and kind of get your message out there. And I think it's more scrambling now than it was before when you hear about the reasons why he let the coach go.

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128.253 - 134.861 Bryan Hayes

I think he billionaire prepared. So what that is... Great comment.

Chapter 3: What is Kelly McCrimmon's perspective on the Golden Knights' managerial strategy?

134.921 - 148.743 Bryan Hayes

This is a vanity purchase, right? That's what this is. Anyone that owns a sports team, it's not real life for them. It's not real... You know, he wants to win and lose, but this is a fantasy. It's a complete vanity purchase. He made his money, I believe, in oil and gas.

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149.344 - 158.743 Jeff O'Neill

No, he's a fracker, dude. Bobby Mack told me he's a fracker. This guy fracks. He told Bobby nobody fracks like me. What is that, though?

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158.723 - 159.324 Bryan Hayes

What is a fracker?

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159.344 - 164.971 Jeff O'Neill

Dude, it's like drilling holes into the ground. It's fracking. Doogie, look it up. Or Alex, look it up.

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165.252 - 170.659 Bryan Hayes

It's fracking. I thought that was for the purpose of finding oil and gas, though, isn't it?

170.959 - 172.121 Jeff O'Neill

Dude, I don't know.

Chapter 4: How significant is Mitch Marner's performance this season?

172.161 - 176.547 Jeff O'Neill

What are you asking me for? Bobby Mack told me this guy's the best fracker in the world.

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176.607 - 186.961 Bryan Hayes

Bob McKenzie knows. Bob's got a distinct knowledge of the fracking community. Dude, I'm just saying what the convo... I love Bobby Mack, but how is Bob the source of this?

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186.981 - 196.637 Jeff O'Neill

No, this isn't coming from Bobby Mack. Bobby Mack had a convo with this guy. It might have been on an airplane or something, and the guy told him he's a fracker. Okay.

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196.857 - 200.081 Bryan Hayes

Meet the frackers. It's like a joke.

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200.181 - 204.125 Jeff O'Neill

It's called fracking, man. They dig for oil and stuff. It's all kinds of good stuff.

204.145 - 219.743 Bryan Hayes

Do you think Bob... Like, again, I love Bob. I'm not trying to take a run at Bob. Do you think this guy flies like economy to the World Juniors? He's never been on a flight with Bob McKenzie. When has Bob been sitting on a flight with Jerry Pegula?

Chapter 5: What impact does Rasmus Andersson have on the Golden Knights?

220.123 - 231.675 Jeff O'Neill

This is what happened. This is what happened. There was an award show in Vegas, and I think Bobby Mac ended up on a private bird with Jerry Pagula. And that's where he told them about the fracking.

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231.695 - 252.377 Bryan Hayes

Well, that makes a little bit more sense. But nevertheless, I don't know. I thought fracking was like a form of drilling and finding... It doesn't matter. Who cares what the hell he's doing? He's fracking for stuff. The point is, if there was a big fracking meeting, right, with like... He's all ears. And he would be very well prepared for that, I would think.

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252.918 - 272.228 Bryan Hayes

If it's a publicly traded company, it's like, okay, we've got a lot of stockholders here. You better be prepared. This, to me, it's billionaire prep. This is beneath me. I'm going to go up there. I own the team. There's nothing anyone can do if they like it or don't like it. We've got a couple of clips here.

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Chapter 6: What are the implications of the trade deadline for the Maple Leafs?

272.36 - 293.503 Bryan Hayes

I think the guy who came out of this, maybe the worst, is Brandon Bean, the GM of the team. Because Bean is sitting there. It seems so obvious he's been feeding Pegula all this information. Trying to pump his own tires. Blame McDermott. McDermott's the problem. That guy's the issue, not me.

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293.544 - 297.608 Jeff O'Neill

These dummies wanted Keon Coleman, whatever.

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297.588 - 318.776 Bryan Hayes

Like the Keon Coleman clip. Let's play that. Do we have that? Okay. The background on this is that Bean has been getting hammered in Buffalo because they haven't drafted well. They haven't signed the appropriate guys. Beyond, I guess, acquiring Stephon Diggs via trade, that was a really good trade, and it worked out really well the first few years.

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318.856 - 338.682 Bryan Hayes

Eventually, it kind of blew up, and they had to get rid of him. This guy is taking a lot of heat in Buffalo for not surrounding Josh Allen with enough talent. And they drafted Keon Coleman. And when that question was posed, this was the back and forth between Bean, the media, and eventually Terry Pegula. Jerry Pegula.

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Chapter 7: How do the guys feel about the current state of the NHL playoffs?

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How do you answer the fact that you have not given Josh a good enough wide receiver room?

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347.299 - 386.466 Brandon Bean

Can I interrupt? I'll address the Keon situation. The coaching staff pushed to draft Keon. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice. That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice of his coaching staff who felt strongly about the player. And, you know, he's taken, for some reason, heat over it and not saying a word about it.

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386.626 - 390.673 Brandon Bean

But I'm here to tell you the true story.

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391.514 - 406.695 Jeff O'Neill

Jesus. Yeah. One thing that hasn't even – what about the player? What about the player? Yeah, I know. You're going to go ahead and – whether this – I hope the kid says, get me the hell out of here, and there has to be somebody that wants him. But who wants that?

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407.196 - 420.999 Bryan Hayes

It's got to be the end of the road for Keon Coleman. Picking up shrapnel at the end-of-season press conference for the owner? By the owner? Yeah, if you're Keon Coleman, you're like, find me a new place to play. And I gotta believe that's a part of his future.

Chapter 8: What are the upcoming challenges for the Maple Leafs this week?

421.541 - 443.693 Bryan Hayes

But how would Pagula... Like, I guess maybe he's at the table. I'm sure he's in the room. But he's privy to all this information. The private conversations between Bean and McDermott. No, he's not. That's blatantly Bean... feeding that to him. Hey, I didn't want this guy. He stinks, but go talk to McDermott. Wasn't my problem. And it makes Bean look so weak. Like, you're the architect.

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443.774 - 455.759 Bryan Hayes

You're the guy. You're the GM. You're the guy with the final decision, and you just... you just buckle to that. You just say, okay, well, McDermott really wanted him, so I guess we'll take him, even though maybe I didn't want him.

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456.14 - 470.982 Jeff O'Neill

I guess when that combo came up, when they realized that Coleman wasn't playing well, they were probably sitting at a restaurant one night, and he said, you know what, that guy, I didn't want that guy. Who drafted that guy? Those other dummies on the coaching staff wanted him, and I said, all right, if that's the guy you wanted, there you go.

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470.962 - 474.191 Bryan Hayes

Strut, this is the Buffalo Sabres the last 10 years.

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474.211 - 494.273 Jason Strudwick

This is why the Sabres have been the Sabres. But the problem is this, is that everyone else in that room is listening to this. Every player would watch this press conference, or at least any that are interested in remaining and being a... So you hear that comment. You're like, is this guy serious? He just threw him under the bus right away. So you're like, does he have my back?

494.434 - 507.808 Jason Strudwick

What's going to happen next? Do we want to be a part of this? So I think, to me, it just complicated things for the owner, for the management staff, not to mention getting a new coach, trying to find more talent to surround arguably one of the best players in the league, in the world right now.

508.509 - 514.175 Jason Strudwick

And it's like they lost the other day, but I think they lost more with this press conference almost than they did at that game.

514.195 - 538.28 Bryan Hayes

Yeah, I agree. I think it looks so much worse. It feels so much worse. It feels like the Sabres, right? Like 14 years without making the playoffs. And it also might explain the reason they were so good. Yes, Josh Allen, first and foremost. But Sean McDermott. Like McDermott actually installed a culture, a process, a trust system with the players.

538.741 - 550.885 Bryan Hayes

He could push Bean away, push Pagula away, and he managed to do that. And it just feels like the next guy, there's basically two options here. It's either going to be a young coach with no power,

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