Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What were the key points from Keith Pelley's press conference?
Figuratively speaking, depending on which way you see things going with the Maple Leafs, the Blue Jays.
It didn't take long for the boos down at the Dome either.
How about Brendan Little getting booed game four of the season when everyone is uber positive about that team?
I know, but it seems like when that guy gets the ball, things start happening.
Like, come on. Yeah, I can't dispute that. I mean, the numbers would indicate that. He's got like a 49 ERA or something crazy.
Maybe what's wrong with him is he never saw the train coming.
Never saw the train coming, right? There's a lot of people in the city that never saw the train coming. Brendan Little maybe did not see the train coming. Jays are still 3-1. Scherzer's got to give them a lot of innings tonight, right? The bullpen got blown out. They had Heinemann in there just throwing batting practice at the end of the game last night. And it sucks for Cody Ponce.
And we will wait on an answer from Schneider because they know what's wrong with him by now. I'm guessing in the next hour to an hour and a half we're going to get an answer on what's up with Cody Ponce. But the reference you're making is the train coming through the Atlantic Division and went right through Union, right? According to Keith Pelley. Might have been a via rail.
Well, I know you can get the via rail from Montreal. I don't know what you can get from Buffalo. But I think you can get up through Buffalo.
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Chapter 3: How did the dismissal of Brad Treliving impact the team?
It's a mess, and we've got to get it right. It just came to me. It sounded to me like, all right, Brad's out, and I get it. Tree living, you can't make a case for keeping tree living. I mean, the team's in a really bad place. The last couple of trade deadlines last summer, it just hasn't gone well. He's not alone. It's not only his fault. Shanahan has to own a lot of this, in my opinion.
Berube, the players, Pelly, MLSC, everyone's got blood on their hands for this. But you can't make the case for keeping true living. So this was the easy play. But I didn't walk out of it today thinking, man, they've really got everything figured out in terms of how they're going to put the pieces together here to get it right in the future.
Bottom line, Hayes, as a diehard fan or anybody in our business, or basically if you have any intelligence, you didn't finish up with that and you said... That guy's going to get this right.
He's got it done. He's got it down.
Or he's going to get it done. You're just like, I don't know if this guy knows what he's doing. That's what you took away from it.
Right. And maybe he will. And maybe they will. And I appreciate that he acknowledged this is the biggest decision he's going to make in his tenure as president and CEO of MLSC. And he's absolutely right.
What other teams hire a firm, by the way, to hire a GM? It happens more often than you think.
Nashville did it this year, too. Yeah, it happens a lot. But here's my question to you guys. Let's say he interviews 10 people for a president or GM role. We don't know which ones. We don't know what it's going to look like. He kept talking about structure. We don't know what the structure is going to look like.
If 10 people out of 10 people, or even 8 people out of 10 people, look at him and say, Keith, This is not a quick turnaround. You got bad contracts on your books. You got a weird roster construction. You got no farm system, and you got no picks. Like, this needs time. Does he not look at that and say, well, I guess these guys are right. They're the experts in the field.
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Chapter 4: What are the foundational pieces of the Toronto Maple Leafs?
I don't believe that. And I actually appreciate that candor, that he was in there analyzing what people are doing. And he said, I wasn't in there with Bobby Webster, and I won't be in there next year with the next guy. So that's a different level of context that I think was important.
But he was asked about the next hire, and it was Geno that asked it, and I think it was the most important question to ask. Is the next hire going to tell you, Keith Pelley, and ownership, this is what we're doing, or are you going to tell the next hire, this is what we're doing? And this is effectively how he answered that earlier today.
The way I look at it is a rebuild is needed when you... are starting from scratch. We all know that Toronto Maple Leafs have foundational pieces in place.
So as a result, with those foundational pieces in place, if we're able to surround them with the right culture, with the right structure, with the right personnel, both on and off the ice, then I would say that we would be in a retool, not in a rebuild.
So that, to me, is a message to any prospective president or GM. You are coming in and telling Keith Pelley what he wants to hear.
I was just going to say, I would goof on GMs, Brian. Potential GMs, I would goof on them. If they sat down and said... Yeah, you've got the foundational pieces here. I'm just going to pick around the edges and try to surround them with the right culture and the right this or that, the right pieces, which they've been doing with the foundational pieces for 10 years.
I would say, okay, and then I would say get out because you're full of it because that's not happening.
It's not true. That's it. All that stuff we just laid out. Like if you're an executive, you would look at him and say, there's no way you can turn this thing around in five years. You're dealing with the remnants of what usually would be a team that won cups and had parades. And now you have to pick up the pieces. But all you have is the frustration of not winning.
It's the worst place you could possibly be. But that's where they are.
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Chapter 5: What does Keith Pelley mean by 'not seeing the train coming'?
I don't know if you can define them as foundational. You can't in terms of championship caliber or pedigree because they haven't earned that. You might be able to build with them, around them. Again, six, seven years ago, they had a very different viewpoint. And I think I had a different projection like everyone else. Fact of the matter is, those two have been foundational pieces for nine years.
They've won two playoff rounds. Right. So...
So now all of a sudden you're just going to build them up, which they've been trying to do for 10 years. They've mowed through coaches. They've mowed through GMs. They've mowed through a president. And it just goes on and on and on. When is someone going to look at the players and say, we're not going to continue to blow cash on personnel,
and coaching staff and and and try to convince yourself that these guys are winners and we just need to get the right people how many different people can you try to put around these group of players well the answer is more no because it'd be i'm not saying it's the right answer i'm not saying it's the right answer for him it's more heath pelly basically with this what i took out of it now it's subject to change maybe it changes in in the next month or two
Basically announced it's the continuation of the Shannon plan. That's what he announced. Because if you believe you have the foundational pieces, then you're talking Matthews, Nylander, Tavares. That's what you're talking about. Maybe Morgan Rielly. Again, that's a different story, but he's been here throughout the whole process. Possibly you can extend that to Matthew Nyes.
I don't know how anyone could believe that.
Well, Keith Pelley did. I'm not giving you my opinion. I'm not telling you what I think they should do. I'm telling you what I heard today, and I think you heard the same thing, is if Pelley is saying it's a retool and the foundation is here, then he's asking the next GM to show up and say, I'm going to continue the Shanna plan into the future.
And to me, it's been a failed experiment, unfortunately. It had all the hope in the world. The foundation was set 10, 11 years ago, and it's run its course, and it hasn't worked. But what happened, I believe, when Tree Living was hired, was Shanahan wanted the next GM to tell him what he wanted to hear.
And Tree Living walked in and said, I can make it work with these guys, and I'll re-sign Austin, and I can re-sign Willie, and I can probably re-sign Mitch, which he didn't in the end, but he just continued the Shanna plan. I'll give you another example. When Brian Burke arrived, He got post from Anaheim. He showed up, and immediately it was, I can get this team to win right off the bat.
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Chapter 6: How does the Maple Leafs' management plan to move forward?
Maybe this is the one in a million. Maybe they just hire a person or two and they come in and everything connects. And I'm not even of the group that this is going to be one of the worst teams in the league next year. I do see a path where they can reset and maybe be a playoff team next year. But you can't claim championship obsession. and claim that you have the foundational pieces to do that.
The jury's already in on that. When you come in in that position, and you can put the teams of Phaneuf and Kessel as a reference point, it's you come in and you realize that, oh, we're not that good. We need a defenseman. Oh, let's go get Dion Phaneuf. We need a goaltender. Let's go get Jonathan Bernier.
And you think you're going to get all these pieces that other teams are willing to get rid of and they're going to be your spotlight players. It ain't happening, man. It is not happening.
The other reality here is that the retool versus rebuild discussion, it's not necessarily up to Keith Pelley. It's not necessarily up to whoever gets hired. A lot of it stems through the player or players, and the main guy is number 34, who has two years left on his deal.
Because if he comes to you and he says, I don't want to be a part of this, I don't like where it's going, like you said, Brian, they could maybe be making the playoffs next year. Maybe that doesn't interest him. If he goes to them and says, guys, not going to resign here long term, that sends you in a direction, right?
That doesn't say, hey, we're going to retool now, even though Austin Matthews, that foundational piece that you're talking about is walking out the door. So guess what? That influences your decision. As much as you want to say which way you're going, that will steer you into whatever direction you need to go.
Yeah, and I've said this a lot recently when it comes to Matthews. Because there's always a sensitivity with him. He's got two years left. He's one of the great players in Leaf history. Captain. Obviously, his resume speaks for itself. And in a perfect world, he's a Leaf for life, and they win with him. It's a perfect world.
But you cannot, if you're the Maple Leafs, if you're Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, devise a plan based on his contract expiration. That, to me, would be absurd. You come up with the plan that is in the best interest of the organization to get in a position to win. And then you present it to them and you say, this is what has to happen. Are you with us or not?
We'd love you to be a part of it because we believe you can be if the next GM, president of Hockey Ops, believes that. Let's presume they do. They show up and they go, Matthews is our guy. We're going to make this work. Go to him once you've figured out how you're going to lay the framework for that. And if he's in, which hopefully he will be, Then he's in. But if he's not, then he's not.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of Auston Matthews' future with the team?
I interpreted that he doesn't know which way he's going to go. And that surprises me, quite frankly. Because it felt to me like they just... decided Tree Living's gone, and now, okay, we've got to figure this out. We've got to hire a firm, and then we've got to figure out which hierarchy we're going to do.
Because he did say he knew this amount of teams had just a GM, this amount of teams just have that. And he consistently said there's no one way to do it. Right. Which did not lead me to believe he's definitely he's made up his mind, which is to me a little bit concerning.
And, you know, I hear you're saying that, yes, he he's going to leave it up to whoever is in charge to ultimately chart the path forward. You know the way it works. Management types will talk about autonomy. There's no such thing. You have a boss. You have a boss, and you're walking into that room, and you're trying to convince Keith Pelley you're the right person for the job.
Pelley basically laid out what he wants to hear. He wants to hear that foundational pieces are here. He wants to hear that a retool is the right play. So I didn't leave that saying, like, everything's on the table. We're going to get uber creative. I got a plan. I left it basically here, and we'll figure out what we're going to do here, and I think we should retool.
That's how I interpreted what he was saying today.
And at the end of the day, the retool versus rebuild question is going to be answered by Austin Matthews more than anyone else. Let's be real.
Well, when was that question going to be asked, Pierre?
You know. Well, I mean, he brought up Austin and Gino hit him with the rebuild versus retool. The point is, Judd Moldaver, the agent for Austin Matthews and Austin Matthews himself will have a huge say over that. But having said that, I mean, to your point, Brian, about... you know, going into these interviews and ownership hearing what they want.
Like, it's interesting that when Cal Dubas got the job in Pittsburgh, one of the things I heard from other candidates who went through the interview process is that some of them were a bit too honest, they felt, in the sense that they told the owners at the time, Fenway, you need to tear this whole thing down. Like, we need to rebuild here.
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Chapter 8: What are the potential candidates for the GM position?
So I have no problem with that answer. I mean, what other answer would you want?
Well, when that person is eventually hired, right, like we kind of know where Keith Pelley stands now. When that person is hired, are we going to know exactly what the direction is of the group? Like, is it safe to assume that it's just going to be a retool at that point?
Or is there a chance that someone got into these meetings with Pelley and said, like, listen, I am adamant that this is what needs to be done. Like, how do we when that day comes, how do we assume where things are going?
Yeah, it's a good question, Frank. Again, let me stress this. By then, will Judd Moldaver and Austin Matthews have given the team direction on their own? They haven't yet because I think they're sitting back and waiting to see who gets hired and what the plan is. But my point is, and I'm not trying to give Leaf fans PTSD with Mitch Marner, but... the player has so much sway here in what happens.
And it's the captain of this team that will ultimately decide I'm willing to stay put or not. And so... it's great that the new GM or the new president of hockey operations will have sold Keith Pelley on a certain plan and perhaps share some of that vision with the fan base at their news conference. But at the end of the day, they need a buy-in either way from the captain.
And right now, you can only guess on that because they haven't got there themselves.
Yeah. I don't know. I look at it with Matthews. He's here now, and they're one of the four or five worst teams in the league. So... To me, he's kind of got to prove something as well to management, doesn't he? Isn't there some sort of importance for Matthews to show up and say, guys, I'm telling you, I'm going to get back to being one of the four or five best players in the world?
It can't all be... You know, please, Austin, give us some time to prove to you something. Like, at some point, Austin's got to take some responsibility, too. He's the captain of a team that's been a disaster this year.
Right. It's pretty simple. Like, yes or no, and we're going to do the Quinn Hughes if it's no.
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