The Open Weight Revolution with Simon Willison
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What triggered the week of AI drama that opens the episode?
Hello, Adam. Hello. How are you? I'm doing good. How about yourself? I'm doing well. I am. I am really excited for this episode. You know what? I am too. And that wasn't always true. I mean, which is not to say I'm not excited generally, but I just mean, I think when you said, Hey, have you been keeping tabs on, you know, what everyone's talking about? I said, no. But then I got more and more excited.
No, no, no. That's not what you said.
That's true.
That's not what I said. What you said is if you're talking about the turkey attacks, what's the turkey? There's a turkey situation in Alameda. We have lived, by the way. And I mean, wild turkeys are kind of running the joint around here in the East Bay. And Simon, just like your pelicans in Half Moon Bay. Although I think that pelicans have got a much better disposition than the turkeys.
That seems right. And also, with their penchant for being on water, they're maybe less likely to interact with humans. But yeah, we also have a lot of turkeys in Alameda, seemingly more every season. And some old woman got attacked by turkeys and is fine now, but...
uh um is it okay so i think they put gerald down but god no is that the berkeley turkey that was no no gerald yeah no no no no gerald so gerald had developed a taste for the elderly this is extremely dark But they actually nabbed Gerald by having someone from Fish and Wildlife pose as someone who's elderly with a wand.
No, no. Yes. A sting, a turkey sting.
No, it was a turkey sting posing as an elderly because the turkey was feasting on the elderly. It's really, and I know this seems like absolutely outrageous, but when you, turkeys are... They're smart and they're aggressive. And they are like, and this is a turkey that had, this is a bit of a prankster, this guy, Gerald.
I mean, just one, I mean, turkeys are kind of smart. Like I've seen turkeys out my window pecking at chrome bumpers because they're angry at the turkey on the other side. Maybe more street smart.
It feels like I've done that metaphorically online frequently. I feel like that's a decent metaphor. The turkeys may look at some of the things I've done and be like, you know, they say they're smart. So you were very up on the turkey drama and you were wondering, did a part of you think like, oh my God, he's like, you know, about time we do an episode on turkeys? Is that what you were thinking? I mean, that would be a reasonable thing to think. No, no.
No, I just wanted to like orient you on how far I was from the, from the general discourse, which was like far.
No, and it's so, I'm so happy for you. And I feel so disgusting when I kind of like, it's like, well, where have you been? Like, did you, are you, you're leaving the bar? It's like nine in the morning. What's going on? It's like, wait, did you go home last night? Or you look, you look rough. I'm like, oh yeah, sorry. I've been online.
In someone's defense, I had, as often happens, I had caught some of this hawking radiation of it. You had caught the hawking radiation. In the form of a DHH tweet. So I almost knew what was going on. I just didn't know the antecedent for any of it.
So, and Simon, first of all, Simon Wilson back with us. We are so, so grateful to have you here. Simon, did you, I assume you saw the DHH fracas and all this?
I saw somebody quote tweeting something about gypsies and wolves and translating to Italian. And I was like, you know what? I'm just not going to even dig into that one.
Well, I admire the restraint of you both. But if you want to know what was going on in the dark alley, the DHH had a, just like bluntly, just a very racist post. Yeah. That it was refusing to translate. And I was just like, you know, if it had just phrased that slightly differently, I'm like totally with the, in terms of like, I don't think this is wise. Like, you should like, you know, go translate this somewhere else. I'm not going to translate that. I think it was... But this was hawking radiation from this thing because the, that was kind of a, that was DHH's strange racist way of supporting open weight models.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What triggered the week of AI drama that opens the episode?
0:00–25:34
2
How did the Hugging Face security incident involving an autonomous agent unfold?
25:34–39:01
3
Why did open-weight models become essential for investigating the Hugging Face breach?
39:01–1:12:15
4
What lessons about sandboxing and containment did the hosts draw from the incident?
1:12:15–1:23:59