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Page 94: The Private Eye Podcast

172: A Kicking For Keir

21 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 17.27 Helen Lewis

Hello and welcome to another episode of Page 94. My name is Helen Lewis and I'm filling in for Andrew Hunter-Murray who has this week sadly failed to develop vetting. I'm in the Private Eye studio with Adam McQueen in Hislop and Sabah Salman, editor of Rotten Burrows.

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17.61 - 26.46 Helen Lewis

The local elections are coming up and it's going to be a splintering, I guess, of Britain as people vote against Labour and the Tories where they're still standing. What does the picture look like?

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26.44 - 33.167 Saba Salman

Well, let me paint you a little picture of Sunderland. Come with me as I take you to one of the big reform rallies.

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33.327 - 39.913 Helen Lewis

Because that is when Nigel Farage of Reform launched his campaign. So he must be pretty confident of winning it or that would be quite embarrassing.

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40.194 - 59.774 Saba Salman

Absolutely. So I'll just take you to Sunderland with me now. So if you picture a scene, 2,000 strong stadium room, big lights, music to announce all of the speakers and a tune that you may not know. It's called Street Rev Anthem. By an electronica pop producer.

60.455 - 72.01 Helen Lewis

Why has Nigel Farage got better taste in music than me? Nigel, I was going to say, coming into Right Said Fred. But unfortunately, that's my brain has supplied that because Nigel Farage does often sing along to I'm Too Sexy by Right Said Fred.

Chapter 2: What political shifts are expected in the upcoming local elections?

72.03 - 92.039 Saba Salman

That's right. But, you know, small mercies, no Andrew Jenkins singing her own tune. So at least that's something. So, yes. So in Sunderland, he's basically banging on about the same thing, which is low tax music. community voices, which is kind of what local councillors do anyway, so not a difficult promise to make. And they don't set the tax?

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93.321 - 110.511 Saba Salman

Well, council tax is set at a local level with guidance by government. But I think what's interesting with the reform promises on this, as we've said in rotten boroughs, is that a lot of the reform councils have come in and said, we're not going to raise taxes, we're going to actually cut taxes. And what's happened is they have raised them.

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110.531 - 120.711 Saba Salman

But the way it's being peddled is we've got the lowest raises in the country. Therefore, we're sort of sticking to our manifesto. So it's a cheeky way of retaining that popularity.

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Chapter 3: How did Nigel Farage launch his campaign in Sunderland?

120.731 - 133.333 Saba Salman

However, over in Worcestershire, which we've again covered in the boroughs, they've raised their council tax there by 9%. So there's, again, that same thing, the gap between what's being promised and what's actually being delivered.

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133.353 - 138.019 Adam Macqueen

And I've seen Farage kind of desperately backpedalling on that and saying, absolutely not. I never said taxes would go down.

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138.24 - 138.5 Saba Salman

Yes.

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138.62 - 142.666 Adam Macqueen

At which point you play in lots of clips of lots of other people saying they would definitely go down when we're in charge.

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142.686 - 163.671 Saba Salman

I hate to be fair to Nigel Farage, but the fact is that he hasn't actually gone on the record to say, I am not going to be raising local council tax. There's a general kind of implication that taxes will be lower across the board. And if you're lucky enough to have one of the reform leaflets plop onto your doorstep, as I had recently, that's one of the sort of the five commitments.

163.832 - 176.567 Helen Lewis

Although I did notice, if you read the Sunday Times profile of the 19-year-old reform council leader, he did manage to fight off everyone else to have a lower rate of council tax. I want to ask you, can you remember what it is that he keeps in his office?

176.587 - 181.112 Saba Salman

He keeps a bear in his office. An actual bear? No, no, sorry. Like Lord Byron?

181.132 - 181.272

No, no.

182.467 - 187.976 Saba Salman

He keeps a stuffed bear. I believe it's on loan from the local museum. Is this George Finch? George Finch.

Chapter 4: What are the implications of tax promises made by Reform councils?

336.219 - 350.798 Helen Lewis

But yeah, whereas the Greens have had similar troubles, they've had two different people had to withdraw for saying that, first saying that the Golders Green ambulance at Arsenal was a false flag. And then one upgraded it saying that the October 7th attacks there on Israel, they were also a false flag. Both of those had to pull out.

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350.778 - 358.073 Helen Lewis

So I think that speaks to the fact that, I mean, you've been covering this about reform. You know, they've got in a lot of warm bodies, but not all of them competent warm bodies.

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358.093 - 364.948 Saba Salman

Well, also dead bodies. We've had a reform candidate, mayoral candidate last year who'd actually been dead for six months. So, I mean, you know.

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365.509 - 377.724 Adam Macqueen

Don't be so alivist. But there is always, there has been this tradition of people who are sort of paper candidates who are put forward so that you can show. I mean, presumably this is the aim with this, is that Nigel Farage can say, we've got this enormous slate of candidates. Absolutely.

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377.764 - 384.651 Saba Salman

And Liz Truss's husband was one of those paper candidates. For reform? No, not for reform. Apologies. For the Conservatives.

384.671 - 389.516 Adam Macqueen

Right. OK. I was going to say, we haven't scooped that out. No, no, no. They're still Conservatives, aren't they?

389.657 - 393.902 Saba Salman

At the moment, yes. Yes. Although she has kind of. Yeah, she's so spiritually reformed these days.

393.922 - 397.607 Helen Lewis

I can only assume that's Nigel Farage going, no, get away from me. You can't come anywhere near me.

397.627 - 405.338 Adam Macqueen

But that is quite a risk, isn't it? Because in the last set of local elections, I remember there were several people who were put up effectively as paper candidates for reform, did get in and then regressed it and dropped out immediately afterwards.

Chapter 5: What challenges are Reform candidates facing in Scotland?

999.448 - 1006.583 Ian Hislop

But that's pressure from having no other sources of income, presumably. Yes, that's right. Apart from raising the council tax.

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1007.024 - 1023.188 Saba Salman

It is. And it's I think, you know, what people often forget, successive governments have cut back. on these main areas that councils have to. So while the responsibility is still there, the supply of the cash that's going to help them meet that responsibility is year on year shrinking.

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1023.709 - 1040.209 Saba Salman

I think one thing actually in some of these cases with the housing companies and the regeneration companies that are launched, I think it's not just about money. I think we've proved it's also about the glitz and the glamour of rubbing shoulders with the big developers and, you know, going to conferences abroad that are,

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1040.189 - 1053.517 Helen Lewis

That's it. One of my biggest groans during this campaigning season was Ed Davey, leader of the Lib Dems, saying that he wants to impose a duty on every new housing development to have a GP surgery. And he was just like, yes, what we should do is just put one more restriction on house building.

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1053.537 - 1057.084 Adam Macqueen

That's the charm, Ed. Two things we haven't got enough of. Let's put them together.

1057.064 - 1086.042 Helen Lewis

a problem as well in the health sector with gp's uh supply and hours and and also one of the things is that every new development is often subject to like judicial review and then planning appeals so if you're building that jeep if you're a gp do you want to move into somewhere that in three years time there might be some houses there or depending whether or not the residents have taken it all the way to the high court no in fact there won't be or that you know they found a newt yes or something like that the resident's blood pressure will have gone up so much that you will have quite a few kind of patients coming in as a result that's true

1086.022 - 1100.877 Helen Lewis

On the no overall control thing, so there are currently 32 councils outside London that are no overall control. Sam Friedman, in a very good substack about the local elections, said he thinks there's probably going to be another 32 outside London at the end of this. So that's really the story of these elections, isn't it? It's like we hate the mainstream.

1100.917 - 1106.122 Helen Lewis

If you've still got a Tory council, you're going to register that you hate them. But mostly if you've got a Labour council, you're going to register that you hate them.

1107.223 - 1121.504 Saba Salman

That fracture is really interesting. On one hand, you've got Labour and Tory local candidates distancing themselves. But over here, you've got reform. And the Greens bigging up the cult of personality with Polanski and Farage. So it's really interesting.

Chapter 6: How is Birmingham's council handling its financial crisis?

2343.039 - 2345.282 Adam Macqueen

Yeah, a lot of relatives from the continent now.

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2345.582 - 2348.907 Helen Lewis

Yeah, but a lot of people in Spain as expats voted for Brexit.

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2349.107 - 2351.65 Ian Hislop

But then she wore the blue and yellow outfit.

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2351.63 - 2358.077 Helen Lewis

Yeah, for Ukraine. Oh, no, that was. That was the one with the... With the stars. Yeah, the flowers that look like stars.

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2358.097 - 2359.218 Ian Hislop

Which I think is definitive.

2359.558 - 2359.738 Adam Macqueen

Right.

2360.199 - 2362.481 Helen Lewis

Case closed. Will there be more?

2362.521 - 2378.739 Adam Macqueen

There is one more question, which I suspect Ian might get ahead of the other two of you. Rigged, rigged. We'll go with it. In the same year, an even better cover in July, of new Prime Minister Theresa May doing the most extraordinarily low curtsy, almost all the way down to the floor. As the Queen said to her... How low can you go?

2378.779 - 2388.463 Adam Macqueen

And Theresa May replied, I've appointed Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. Whose joke was that, Ian? Mine. Ian, whose joke was it really? Sheila's.

Chapter 7: What role does local control play in council effectiveness?

2388.764 - 2394.6 Adam Macqueen

Yes. Was this the one occasion where the managing director of Private Eye has given this as the joke for the cover?

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2394.8 - 2412.095 Ian Hislop

Yes, and it was very annoying because it was incredibly funny. It's a great joke. And Sheila was essentially the managing director of Private Eye for about 300 years since George III. And her job was to try and keep this thing afloat, not to provide better jokes than me.

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2412.396 - 2424.984 Adam Macqueen

Well, her involvement on covers usually was to come down and see what you're putting on on Monday and go, oh, not the prime minister again. That's 10,000 sales we've lost. but not on this occasion. No, no, she hit the jackpot. Right, brilliant.

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2425.024 - 2435.322 Adam Macqueen

Well, as a result of that, I can reveal that Helen gets the regal nod of approval, the sword on both shoulders, and whatever medal you would like to take home with you.

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2435.463 - 2439.009 Helen Lewis

I don't think I've ever won a private eye quiz before. This is very exciting to me.

2439.029 - 2445.34 Adam Macqueen

I know, we just felt sorry for you. Ian got far more questions right than you. But it's just traditionally, always losers on the telly.

2447.125 - 2463.868 Helen Lewis

Finally, the rigging works in my favour. Well, that is it for this episode of Page 94. We'll be back in a fortnight with another one, possibly involving Andy. Until then, thank you to Sabah, Adam and Ian. And thank you to you for listening. If you'd like to get more jokes, stories, pictures of the Queen, actually probably not pictures of the Queen anymore.

2463.848 - 2478.718 Helen Lewis

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