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“Designed To Hurt Trump” - Jordan Goudreau & Operation Gideon: The Plot To Take Out Maduro | PBD Podcast | Ep. 677
01 Nov 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of Operation Gideon and its significance?
The bottom line is there was a civil war going on in the White House.
What do you think is really the motive behind closed doors?
Venezuela is to the United States what Ukraine is to Russia. Let's cut through all the narrative. He's trying to secure it for a possible escalation of war with Russia-China.
Even if you look at the way he's handling it right now, it's very public. They're flying over Venezuela. They're blowing up boats just to say, here's what we're doing.
But I was recruited to do this, to facilitate the capture of Nicolas Maduro.
If you're doing this, you're essentially doing a business deal with CIA. You know the track record, what it is, and you know you're playing with fire.
The highest office asks you to do something, you do it. Just like when my commanders tell me to do it, I do it.
Where would the payment come from? From whom?
It was told to me that the United States.
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Chapter 2: How was Jordan Goudreau recruited for the mission against Maduro?
As close as you got, did you ever have a chance where if you wanted to take him out, you could? I want to preface a few things before you watch this interview because it's going to be weird.
You're going to see a man in a parking lot outside of a homeless shelter who's about to go to court wearing a nice suit that could be facing jail time because of the leader he was on Operation Gideon that was supposed to go and take out...
maduro and take out when i asked him take out does it mean you got to kill him he says no i'm not a mercenary i'm not this although a lot of people say he's a mercenary i told him if he's got a pmc private military contractor which a lot of places claim that his company that iran was a private military contractor he says no i'm not um but he you know he allegedly was supposed to go out.
He puts a group together of 60 guys, eight of which that get killed by Maduro. A couple of the guys end up doing time they were supposed to do 20 years, end up doing three years in prison in Venezuela.
And there was a lot of weird questions, you know, back and forth of things that happened, the names he dropped, the involvement of Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence knew about this, the CIA knew about this. you know, multiple handlers that came up, multiple meetings.
He's got a contract that was signed by Juan Guaido and others where he's sitting there in a room with the former president of Colombia and the former president allegedly for a minute of Venezuela, and they agree to pay him $212.9 million in multiple payments, finding a way to eliminate Guaido.
uh maduro and eliminate to him didn't mean to kill him like i said very very weird interview they approached us we thought about it we agreed to do it because i believe everybody's innocent until proven guilty and if the court thinks he's guilty then he's guilty but at least let's hear him out
It is a very, very, it's such an entertaining, interesting story that a documentary even just came out about him a month ago. I think the executive producer is Adam McKay that did the documentary. So having said that, I want you to know this before you watch the interview with Jordan Goudreau.
Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point?
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Chapter 3: What were the financial details of the Operation Gideon contract?
My son's right there.
I don't think I've ever said this before.
All right, so we got a special show for you here today with Jordan Goudreau. If we can see Jordan Goudreau's video. Jordan, if you don't mind, before we even get started, on why you're outside in the video doing this interview, you haven't been the person that did Operation... Let me just kind of tell the audience so we know. Operation Gideon...
which in October of 2019, Venezuelan opposition reached out to you, Juan Guaidó at that time, Guaidó at that time, with an offer of $212 million, $213 million for Silver Corp, which was, I believe, a PMC, private military contractor,
Chapter 4: How close did Goudreau get to Maduro during the operation?
to go out there and help them provide services in doing so to eliminate Maduro, which at the time even the U.S. had recognized Guaidó as the new president of Venezuela. All this stuff was taking place. And then you had to put a team together to go out there and do this. And then eventually we all saw this on TV. Multiple people caught.
The Venezuelan government announced that they had killed quite a few of them that tried to go there on, I believe, a couple different boats. But today, now, we were supposed to do this live. Jordan, first of all, welcome to the podcast. But can you share with the audience why you're doing the podcast from a parking lot?
Thanks, Patrick. Yeah, no, I think the I mean, people talk about lawfare all the time. I think this is the epitome of lawfare. I have been relegated to a homeless shelter, a homeless shelter. When I was in a hearing yesterday, the judge looked over to my attorney and Maricel Descalzo, who's incredible by the way, and asked why Mr. Goudreau, why can't he just stay in an apartment?
Why I have to stay at this homeless shelter, which I've been here fighting to stay here for the last, I don't know, five months. And my attorney turned to the prosecutor and said, because they won't let him. They won't let him stay in just an apartment like a regular individual. The prosecution lost the very first bond hearing.
The lawyer who was in charge at the time, she had joked about putting, you know, Jeremy Brown and bragging about how she got Jeremy Brown in jail and another Green Beret. And they laughed about how I would be their third Green Beret that they would put in jail. The lawyer, the very first prosecutor, he actually stabbed the guy in Tampa. His name was Patrick Scruggs. You can pull the video up.
It's absolutely insane. And then after that, four prosecutors wouldn't touch this case for four years. Until a Williams and Connolly prosecutor under – one of the Clinton prosecutors who happened just to be in the Middle District of Florida decided to take the case right before the run-up to the U.S. election. How convenient. I am essentially a Trojan horse for the Trump administration.
And I think – listen, let me go – let me roll back to the intro and like what you said about Operation Campion. Which was never Operation Gideon. It was always Operation Edgemont. But what I'll say about it is that's a beautiful CIA narrative. That's a beautiful CIA narrative.
The CIA spun a tremendous narrative with the help of the AP, with the help of Rolling Stone magazine, Vice, this documentary movie that came out. If you read all of that, all of those articles and from back then, I think, yeah. And the Wikipedia page, yeah, I think that would be – that's a pretty tremendous narrative.
The truth, however, is encapsulated in all the documents that are in the discovery, which me and my – my legal team have been pouring over for the last, oh, I don't know, over a year now. Interestingly enough, there's a, there's a journalist named Ryan Morgan who works at the Epoch times.
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Goudreau face during the execution of the operation?
So I'm not a mercenary. Everybody wants to say I'm a mercenary. I'm a strategist. So let me give you the 30-second brief on my career. I've been a soldier since I was 17. Started in the Canadian Army. came to the American army, went through several selections till I got to, I was in the CRIF, I was in JSOC units, the highest level.
Half of my training is intelligence, however, so human intelligence. And while I was doing all of this, I'm so insane and such a crazy mercenary that I was able to build three fairly profitable real estate companies, one in Germany and two here in the United States. I did all these things because
Chapter 6: What role did the CIA and U.S. government play in the operation?
I was capable. I'm a capable person. I work hard and I have a very strong work ethic. Fast forwarding to when I leave the military, I get out and I start my company because at that time there's a lot of school shootings. I want to mitigate school shootings. It's a national problem, still is. And so I opened up a, it's more of a strategy company. I'm not a PMC.
I'm not, I don't take contracts like Eric Prince. I solve intricate problems. And I did this when I left the military. For instance, you know, I had a team in Hurricane Marina. Maria hit Puerto Rico at half the island. And we protected... essentially AT&T personnel who are trying to reestablish communication through the island.
And so I use negotiation skills with local cartels and gangs to just basically have them not attack my people and reestablish these communication networks. Fast forward a little bit, I get recruited by the Trump administration under Keith Schiller, who's a good friend of Donald Trump, as you know, and worked in the White House as head of White House operations. Now, here's the macro of it.
This is the pond that the Trump administration was swimming in at the time. The Trump administration was embattled, as we're seeing now with all the documents with Christopher Wray and the FBI, who's bugging congressmen or senators like Hawley and so on and so forth. I think there were eight.
That Russia collusion hoax, this was on the heels of the Russia collusion hoax, as well as the Mueller report, which... The FBI agent who built my case, she she was part of the Mueller report investigation. So all of this is connected. But the bottom line is there was a civil war going on in the White House.
You had National Security Council, Mike Pompeo, Abrams, Gina Haspel, who were undermining the commander in chief's intent, President Trump's intent. And we see this today. It's still playing out. But back then. The CIA would do just enough to not, I guess, come under the ire of the president, especially in Venezuela. So we see this.
I think the most definitive piece of evidence is when Mike Pompeo closes the embassy in Caracas. As you know, the CIA can't operate and can't do advanced intelligence operations without an embassy, without embassy support. And so when this embassy is closed, it greatly restricts the CIA's ability to do anything in Venezuela. This is by design, right?
And so I am approached by the administration to facilitate the removal of Nicolas Maduro and the facilitation of fair and free elections. I do my due diligence. I go down to see if it's okay. And might I just add, I mean, When you're recruited by the highest office in the land, it's not like you're going to say no, right? And so, yeah, of course I'm going to do this.
They did at some point want me to meet, and I want to make this very clear. They wanted me to meet with the president of the United States, and I refused. And it was kind of strange to me that they would want me to meet with the president because one of these guys was a very – astute human intelligence operative.
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Chapter 7: What were the implications of the failed operation for U.S.-Venezuela relations?
So this was Drew Horn and Jason Beardsley.
Okay.
So Drew Horn, obviously, back that time was very connected. We didn't know how connected he was until we started reading his emails from the discovery. Same as, you know, obviously – Jason Beardsley, he's a TFO operative, but these guys were both Green Berets. I had no reason to think that a fellow Green Beret would burn me. And so I believed what they were saying.
I believed Keith Schiller when I was given these representations. And so I went forward. I also did my due diligence with the recognized Venezuelan opposition under Juan Guaido. I had a signed contract with Juan Guaido, which... Let me just put it this way. I was in the room with two presidents for this.
How does a crazy lunatic mercenary get in the room with presidents, diplomats, strategists, geopolitical strategists, and other members who are working in the U.S. government and the Venezuelan opposition government? And the Colombian governments. How does that happen?
This is the president of Venezuela at the time. Correct. And you're saying the president of Colombia is who you're talking about, who is now, I believe, a DJ somewhere in South Florida. Correct.
At the time, yes. At the time, it was Yvonne Duquesne. There's actually a really funny video where he lies on air. I went on W Radio, which is a prolific radio station all throughout South America. And I went on W Radio and I said, yeah, no, he met – I can't remember the specifics, but we met. I had him on a cell phone call with another one of the Venezuelan opposition, and we discussed terms.
And so I had the go-ahead from the US, the Colombian government, and the Venezuelan opposition government under Juan Guaido. So we were clear to do this.
Is this the meeting where they agreed to $212 million and then they ended up saying they're going to give $1.5 million up front, but they only gave $50,000? Is this that meeting? And are those numbers accurate, the $212.9 million, $1.5 million, $50,000 for expenses at the beginning stages? Yes.
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Chapter 8: How does Goudreau view the legal consequences of his actions?
There's no generals that come and tell us that I don't go and talk to the general and say, hey, are you sure that this is authorized? Maybe I think you need to sign your life. No, it doesn't work that way. Right. And there's no. And what's more is this the president. And I don't care who the president is. I don't care if it's a Democrat president. I don't care if it's a Republican president.
I don't care. The president. He's president United States and he requires deniability, period.
Yeah. So Drew and Jason are telling you that this is what we got approved, that if you do this, we're going to pay this. And you take on that and you believe in and you move on with the mission, trusting those two guys.
Right. With several meetings, we met several times in Washington, D.C. It's a bona fide member of the The U.S. government, who has contacts in the National Security Council, he's Trump's son's good friend. Furthermore, I mean, look, this wasn't just one meeting. It was several meetings over the course of several months. Furthermore, and
Donald Trump's, I met with Donald Trump's, you know, the legal team of the president, George Sorrell, Travis Lucas, who are telling me the exact same thing. No, you are good to go. A lawyer, Travis Lucas read the contract, said, yeah, you're good to go.
OK, so who is who is the highest ranking person you met with that there is documentation and exchange of them wanting you to do this?
Several. I have, well, it's Keith Schiller, Drew Horn, Jason Beardsley, Juan Guaido. That's a contract. I have several.
So Juan Guaido, you have a contract, signed pictures together with him and the president of Colombia. You have all that documented.
Right.
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