PBD Podcast
Inside Daily Wire: Jeremy Boreing Breaks Silence on Ben, Candace & Tucker | PBD #819
18 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the conflict between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson?
I told people even as early as 2018, I said, Tucker Carlson's the most dangerous person in American politics.
What do you think are the main issues between Ben and Tucker?
Ben Shapiro. Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. They disagree about America the most.
Has it always been like this, or is this the most fractured it's been going into 2028?
It's never in my lifetime been like this. Tucker is essentially at war with the Trump administration now. He's making some of the worst accusations about the president that anyone out there is making.
Would you trust AJD for 2028?
Not today.
The top three big partners are you, Ben, and Caleb, right? So Caleb took over, but then Caleb recently stepped down. Was it intentional for Caleb to only go for 12 months? You know... Was the goal to sell to Fox News with Daily Wire, what was the goal? Daily Wire used to hate Fox, and that was their enemy, and now they want to be able to sell to Fox.
Obviously, you keep score in business by making profit. Candace Owens, who's now left Daily Wire. We terminated Candace Owens.
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Chapter 2: What led to Candace Owens' departure from Daily Wire?
And, you know, it's addictive. You know better than anyone that's an addictive lifestyle.
So do you think, like, sometimes, because sometimes when there's a guy like you, and I wonder how you're going to answer this, sometimes when there's a guy like you, when you're working with a guy like you, it's annoying, okay? But when the guy leaves, you also say, shit, he did a lot of stuff we didn't even think about.
You know, it's kind of like, well, that guy was doing this and he was doing this. Yes, he was annoying. Yes, he was kicking our ass. Yes, he was difficult. Yes, he was, you know, thought very highly of himself and all this stuff. But my God, it's tough to replace this guy. Do you think something like that happened after you left?
You like to think so. I know that I wasn't an easy guy to work for. I used to we used to have we'd start our day every day with what we called the 1030 meeting where we would get.
An assortment of people together from the top executives in the company to a lot of the management of the company, and we would just make sure that everyone was sort of chasing the same set of priorities, especially in a news business. You know, it's very dynamic. Things change every day that require an immediate pivot. Some story breaks, some opportunity for one of the hosts appears.
Those aren't things that you plan weeks or even days in advance. You have to be very responsive. And I would often say in the 1030 meeting, you know, I know that I'm a difficult person to work for. I know that if you're looking for work-life balance, this probably isn't the company for you.
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Chapter 3: How did the Daily Wire manage subscriber growth after Candace left?
I don't really believe in the concept of work-life balance. We're building a rocket ship while it's in flight, and that's one of the hardest things you can ever do. But that's what we have to do to pursue the mission of the company. I'm certainly aware that I was a tough boss, but I'm also aware that I really drove the company.
The style of leadership at the time was very hands-on, and I was very in the weeds with my team and every day choosing a direction. ordering the priorities of the company and keeping everyone on mission. I think it's probably true in every business, but it's particularly true in an ideology-first business, that you both have business objectives and missional objectives.
And resolving the tension between those two things was also a huge part of what I was engaged in in leadership. And listen, I'm not the only person on earth who can do it, but I suspect that there's some pain points in the transition.
Yeah, how do you find? Because I think who replaced you? Caleb, the third one, who's the top three big partners are you, Ben, and Caleb, right? So Caleb took over, but then Caleb recently stepped down in the third week of May or fourth week of May, and then the new guy is the Jeopardy guy or the Wheel of Fortune guy.
Yeah, Mike Richards is his name.
So was it intentional for Caleb to only go for 12 months or, you know, however long it was, and then to bring somebody else in? Was that an intentional part of strategy?
Yeah, you know, I can't really speak to that.
So that wasn't your decision. That was post...
My breakup with the company is a true breakup. I left in 2025, in March. And other than the kind of contractual commitment, a breakup of this nature obviously comes with a lot of lingering commitments and lingering restrictive covenants. And I own a very tiny piece of the company now that's probably primarily a part of the enforcement mechanism behind restrictive covenants as much as anything.
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Chapter 4: What were the strategic decisions behind Daily Wire's entertainment projects?
When we launched our first movie, we doubled the size of our, you know, we were five years in at that point. The first movie added as many subscribers just on itself as we had added in five years of just being a podcast company. How many did it add, by the way?
What would the number be?
You know. 50,000, 100,000, like that kind of number? Just sub 100,000 the first year.
From the movie?
Well, yeah. The first five years, we added about sub 100,000. Oh, got it. And then the movie added another 80,000 or whatever it was, right? Like basically doubled. By the time I left, you know, we had more than 10x subscriptions based on the entertainment play. Now, the entertainment play includes the movies, and it includes Matt Walsh's documentaries, right, which were huge.
How much did that add? Because I've heard some numbers with that one, like a few hundred thousand.
We did very well on What is a Woman and Am I Racist? I probably can't disclose now that I'm not the CEO exactly what those numbers are.
But somewhere between 100 to a half a million.
We did very well on most of our entertainment properties. You know, the Terror on the Prairie, the Gina Carano film, paid for itself within three days of announcing that we were doing it. You know, the Lady Ballers, the last time I was here, I think it was to promote Lady Ballers. Lady Ballers added more subscribers than we had had in the first five years of the company.
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Chapter 5: What advantages come from not taking on capital in business?
And one of the advantages of never having brought on capital in all these years is that we had freedom of action, freedom of decision. We were able to be nimble. We were able to move very, very quickly. One of the benefits of being able to bring on capital is the founders can get a little liquidity, and you can make things that tie up capital. You can make Pendragon.
You can make whatever was going to come after Pendragon. I know the Daily Wire has made at least two movies since I left. They're not out yet, but it's not as though they've pivoted out of entertainment. They've pivoted away from my sort of strategy around some of that, but they haven't pivoted out of entertainment. And all of that requires thinking differently about
capital, which requires changing how some governance works and requires changing how some structure works. That's a natural consequence of some of those changes.
Yeah, very interesting. It'll be interesting to see who else comes in, does it how, especially now with AI. Are we going to start seeing guys making cartoons, takes off, subscribership on the conservative side? I don't know. But to me, I do think the model of being decentralized, of smaller creators not needing to be part of a big company,
may disrupt one big, gigantic, conservative company to be built. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see what happens there.
Can I push back on that for a while?
Do so. I'd love to, yeah.
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Chapter 6: How is the landscape of conservative media changing with AI?
Because I don't think you're wrong. Obviously, we live in the moment of the independent content creator. My argument is that's just a moment like every other moment. But look what you do here. this isn't an independent content creator operation. This is a business.
I mean, you've built a massive business around your brand, extending out from the business that you had already been very successful with before you started this. But ultimately, Patrick Bet-David is the, you're not Joe Rogan making a show with one guy at your house that happens to be the biggest show in the world.
You're still right now sit here as a businessman who has ambition way beyond the content that you create every day. And a lot of the guys who move into this space have those kinds of aspirations. But you and I both know how hard it is to do what you do.
We both know how hard it is to actually build and scale, how much risk you actually have to be willing to take, how many mistakes and failures and losses you have to make and then recover from. Even just the emotional ability to recover from major losses. There are people who are way better than you and me.
who didn't succeed because they couldn't overcome just the emotional reality of the losses that they had to take. And you and I are kind of stupid. We slam our finger in the drawer and we go, well, I'm going to learn not to put my finger in the drawer. And then three days later, you slammed a whole different finger in a whole different drawer.
And so I do think that we live in the moment of the independent content creator.
In the end, business is hard. Let me ask you a crazy question. Okay, so let me flip it on you, complete opposite side. Say I go raise a few billion dollars, okay? Is it worth I buy Daily Wire, Blaze, five of them and bring it all together? Is that worth it?
Certainly, I think that there's an opportunity for someone to roll up some of the online right and create a sort of digital super company on the right.
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Chapter 7: What are the key differences between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson's perspectives?
the most likely entity to do it is Fox. Right. Right. Why do I say they're the most likely? In some ways, they're the least likely. They don't understand the online space yet. Sure. You see them make moves in it. They don't make them very well. They just signed 10 guys that they did, but yeah. But they don't really know what to do yet. Sure.
If they bought the Daily Wire, they'd know a lot more what to do. If they bought the Blaze, they'd know it because we're digital-first companies. We've existed in this space. But I still say Fox is the most likely to do it because they've got billions of dollars.
The market needs competition, though. To me, it's...
But the competition often comes from the little guy.
No, no, but that's what I'm saying. What I'm saying to you is it's, you know, if a market like, I remember we were having a conversation, you know, a few years ago. Hey, what if we started a media company? I'm talking to a bunch of these guys. We're having meeting after meeting after meeting every other week at my house. Vivek's there, a couple other people. Big names.
These are very big names that we're having a conversation with. And this is pre the Israel, you know, it's kind of Israel October 7th happened, but it's not yet like at this level where everybody's openly, there's massive division of Republicans. That hasn't happened yet. So we're in this meeting, and then a guy comes up to us, and they say, hey, we're a $22 billion fund, big company.
And we want to know if you're interested in being a CEO. If we were to go do a roll-up and we buy, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, would you have any interest? Interesting. What would it look like? Well, it would look like this, this, this. I had to sit there. I'm like, okay, so why would Ben continue? Why would this person continue? Why would that person continue? You know, what would be there?
So then would we do a 50-50 and put the back-end equity on it so we're all flying to go build a $400 billion company so the real exit's going to be, hey, guys, we freaking 50X and collectively let's go, even though we disagree, let's show the world that conservatives can unite and let's go give a message. I flirted with the idea of what that would look like because, you know, it was...
It was interesting. But I think the opposite side may also happen. Fox at any point can go knock on anyone's door and buy up anybody. Fox has done this with Wall Street Journal, with New York Post, with God knows how many of them. There's so many companies that people don't even know Fox owns that the only reason you don't know is because it's not public.
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Chapter 8: How do political dynamics impact the future of the Republican Party?
So on the conservative Republican side.
Can I say one crazy thing? Please. I've never gotten to tell this story, and I love it so much. Go for it. Ben and I had a meeting with Lachlan Murdoch early. Not too early. It was probably 2019 or 2020 even. So the Daily Wire was a thing. Must have been pre-COVID. Time becomes a little flat to me, but I'm almost certain we still lived in L.A., which would mean pre-COVID.
And we were in Lachlan's office having a great conversation with him. He has a large office. And so we were sitting on this sofa. And then there's kind of an unusually large space and then a desk. And he's at the desk. And there's a door that's sort of in the center of the room. And we're talking. We're having a really nice conversation. It wasn't about acquisitions.
It wasn't about anything like that. It was more like a meet and greet talent kind of meeting, right? And this little old man comes in that door in the middle of the room to see Lachlan. And because of the way the room's oriented, he doesn't even see us. He kind of comes in at this angle to us. And he says, when are we going to have lunch? What are you thinking about lunch?
And Lachlan says, Dad, I want you to meet Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boring. And this little old man who's wearing little old man jeans and little old man white tennis shoes and literally shuffling, kind of moving around like this, turns, sees us, realizes he's not alone. And it was exactly like the moment in Richard Donner's Superman 1978 when Clark decides he's going to tell Lois who he is.
And she turns around to go find her purse or something. And he takes off the Clark Kent glasses and his shoulders come back and he becomes three inches taller. And he is Superman. Rupert Murdoch turns around, realizes he isn't alone, sees us. His shoulders come back. He gets at least three inches taller. His eyes harden.
He reaches out and gives you the most masculine handshake you've ever had in your life. And he was Superman again. He was the guy who's made almost $100 billion in his life by basically force of his own tenacity and his own will. And it was such an amazing thing to see it happen in real life. He is old, and he is diminished. But you know what's still in there?
The freaking guy who could do all of that.
Did you watch his documentary? Pretty amazing. I haven't gotten to watch it, no. Oh, so you've got to watch it because...
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