Inside Daily Wire: Jeremy Boreing Breaks Silence on Ben, Candace & Tucker | PBD #819
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What is the conflict between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson?
I told people even as early as 2018, I said, Tucker Carlson's the most dangerous person in American politics.
What do you think are the main issues between Ben and Tucker?
Ben Shapiro. Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. They disagree about America the most.
Has it always been like this, or is this the most fractured it's been going into 2028?
It's never in my lifetime been like this. Tucker is essentially at war with the Trump administration now. He's making some of the worst accusations about the president that anyone out there is making.
Would you trust AJD for 2028?
Not today.
The top three big partners are you, Ben, and Caleb, right? So Caleb took over, but then Caleb recently stepped down. Was it intentional for Caleb to only go for 12 months? You know... Was the goal to sell to Fox News with Daily Wire, what was the goal? Daily Wire used to hate Fox, and that was their enemy, and now they want to be able to sell to Fox.
Obviously, you keep score in business by making profit. Candace Owens, who's now left Daily Wire. We terminated Candace Owens.
Ten out of ten times, you would have fired her again.
Candace has more it than any other personality I've ever encountered. Ten out of ten times, I would have fired her again. Nine out of ten times, I would have fired her two months earlier.
Do you think that brought unnecessary pressure on the company?
The year that I fired Candace Owens, we ended that year better than we started it.
After Candace left, you grew in subscribership and revenue?
Is conservative media company The Daily Wire going under? I think a lot of people are kind of dancing on Daily Wire's grave. And I told them at that meeting, within 90 days, Tucker Carlson is going to say America was the bad guy in World War II. And every single one of the executives in my company looked at me like I was crazy.
Jeremy Boren, great to have you on.
Very nice to be here.
Thank you. Yes. Last time was what, about a couple of years ago?
Yeah, 2023, I believe.
23. So question for you. Do you miss being the CEO of Daily Wire versus being a content creator today? I know you're still running a business. You're a business guy. But do you miss being an operator?
Absolutely. Yeah.
What do you miss about it?
Well, my ambition has never been to be a podcast host. At one time, I... owned and operated one of the 10 largest podcast companies in the country, it would have been very easy to launch a podcast during those days. On this side of the Daily Wire, it's actually challenging. So you never did. You never had a podcast. I hosted our backstage show, which we all got together once a month. Every now and then, if there was some thing that we felt like the CEO of the Daily Wire needs to weigh in, I would do a little one-off, speak to the audience or a town hall or something. But no, I've never tried to be in the hosting grind the way I am now.
How do you like it now?
It's an act of creation, so I love that. I like having a voice back after spending a year kind of in the wilderness after leaving Daily Wire. I like having my team back together and being in motion again. But there's nothing like the thrill of running a business, of running a business at scale. We had 275-plus employees when I left and a couple hundred million dollars of annual revenue. That's an enormous amount of pressure that always forces you to be your very best employee.
What led to Candace Owens' departure from Daily Wire?
And, you know, it's addictive. You know better than anyone that's an addictive lifestyle.
So do you think, like, sometimes, because sometimes when there's a guy like you, and I wonder how you're going to answer this, sometimes when there's a guy like you, when you're working with a guy like you, it's annoying, okay? But when the guy leaves, you also say, shit, he did a lot of stuff we didn't even think about. You know, it's kind of like, well, that guy was doing this and he was doing this. Yes, he was annoying. Yes, he was kicking our ass. Yes, he was difficult. Yes, he was, you know, thought very highly of himself and all this stuff. But my God, it's tough to replace this guy.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the conflict between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson?
0:00–3:16
2
What led to Candace Owens' departure from Daily Wire?
3:16–4:36
3
How did the Daily Wire manage subscriber growth after Candace left?
4:36–16:16
4
What were the strategic decisions behind Daily Wire's entertainment projects?
16:16–55:33
5
What advantages come from not taking on capital in business?
55:33–56:52
6
How is the landscape of conservative media changing with AI?
56:52–58:44
7
What are the key differences between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson's perspectives?
58:44–1:01:09
8
How do political dynamics impact the future of the Republican Party?
1:01:09–1:52:36
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