Chapter 1: What themes are introduced at the beginning of the conversation?
Did you ever think you would make it?
I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point?
The future looks bright. A handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a 101? My son's right there.
I don't think I've ever said this before.
So we got a special guest here. There's going to be a group of you that are going to be driven insane by what he has to say, but there's going to be many of you that are going to say, it's actually a good point. Even right now with what's going on in the world, Venezuela just fell. Iran, with what they're going through, they went from a monarchy to...
whatever you want to call it, with a totalitarian regime under Khomeini, and then should they go to a constitutional monarchy? Should they go to a traditional democracy? What works, what doesn't work? My guest today, here's what he said before. So brace for impact. We're going to have a two-hour conversation, but these are some of the things that he said that's driven people insane.
Some races are more suited to slavery than others. That will upset a lot of people. Democracy is not a solution. It is the problem. The United States should be run like a corporation. If Americans want change, they should stop voting. The democratic experiment has failed. Real power in America is held by an unelected regime. Equality is not a natural human condition.
Order is more important than freedom. Curtis Yarvin, it's great to have you on.
Thanks so much. Pleasure to be here, Patrick.
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Chapter 2: How does Curtis Yarvin explain his ideas on democracy and politics?
And the influence of the presidential election on domestic policy is almost zero because domestic policy is run by Congress. And so, you know, we have these situations where Everyone goes out in this election, and they really think that they're, like, they talk as if they were electing a king. They say Donald Trump is in power. He's certainly not a negligible, you know, force in Washington.
In fact, I'd say, you know, one way to look at the sort of the paradox of the Trump administration is is to say, well, I think it's pretty unquestionable that the second Trump administration had maybe 10 times as much impact on Washington as the first Trump. There's no question. It's not even close.
It sounds like it's been three terms in one.
It could be 10 times as much. It could be 20 times as much. Why do you think that is? And if you look at, well, wait a second. There's a punchline. So if you compare the first Trump administration to the Bush administration, Again, you know, it's not as much of a difference, but it's three X, five X, you know, as much of an impact. I mean, Trump to Bush, Bush to Trump. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you remember the first Trump administration, it's like the liberals are like the sky is falling every day. Sure. Right. And now they're like the sky is falling every day.
Are you saying him to Bush, he got three times more done, or Bush to Trump, Bush got three times more done?
No, but Trump, even the first term, Trump had three times as much impact as Bush. So the thing is, what you're seeing from the perspective of the New York Times reader, you're just like, oh my God, this politician, this carnival barker has this immense power over the government, which is the most important thing around, and we're all going to die.
And it's like, well, even, you know, let's acknowledge that these enormous increases in power are true. Okay. But, you know, power is something that you can measure on a zero to one scale. Zero is you have no power, you don't matter. One is absolute power. So if you're looking at anything that's measurable on a zero to one scale, you know, does she love me? Does she love me not?
You know, one way to look at that is to say, all right, let me forget about where I am on the scale relatively and figure out where I am on the scale absolutely. Because actually when you're seeing those kinds of increases, you know, when you're seeing increases by an order of magnitude, for example, What you see is that those kinds of increases are most available at the bottom
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Chapter 3: What historical context does Yarvin provide regarding American governance?
Well, the Manhattan Project is, number one, a government project. Number two, it is probably the most successful engineering project in history. Number three, it is run almost exactly like a California startup, right down to the two co-founders. Right. You have the technical guy and the non-technical guy, if you've seen Oppenheimer.
And number four, they're all communists, if you've seen Oppenheimer. Of course. Right. And and so, you know, that's not that combination of facts doesn't really fit into any kind of legendarium logic.
of the american what's the point you're making your point you're making is the point running like a startup runner like a ceo run it like a guy who's running a fortune 100 company let him make the decisions not a lot of executive orders i don't need to get everyone's permission to do something is so if you look at you know i'm sort of trying to set the historical stage a little bit for
where we are. So if you look at, you know, again, FDR creates this sort of really, I mean, he literally conquers the world, right? You know, and he creates this kind of world conquering state. And people just looked at America at that time, whether they were Americans or foreigners, they're just like, this is a country, this is a government that could do anything.
So FDR dies in 45, and in 44, he picks Harry Truman as his VP. Harry Truman is kind of a nobody. He's not even really a new dealer. He's a man of sort of limited pretensions and limited abilities. And FDR replaces Henry Wallace, who was kind of a hardcore communist, on his VP suite with...
truman knowing fdr knows nobody else knows americans did not even know that fdr used a wheelchair you're aware of that right like that's the level of like distance between reality and story that was totally routine back then right and people just people lived almost entirely in this comic book world so and you know on all sides that war was fought in a comic book world um
And World War I is even more sort of comic book. So you have basically a world where you have this very simplistic drama that's presented to a very unsophisticated by today's standards audience, right? So they just see this sort of propaganda experience of the war. They have no idea that FDR is dying. They have no idea of the difference between FDR and Truman.
Actually, what happens is that because Truman is a lightweight, And he does not take over the job of FDR. He is not really in charge. This is what FDR intended. FDR is like, I've assembled this amazing collection of just amazing, talented, first-rate people who can do anything. and I'm not going to have a successor.
Instead, power is going to flow down into the regime, into the administration, into what we now call the deep state, and there's going to be no way to get it out. What FDR didn't...
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Chapter 4: How does Yarvin relate the past political systems to today's political landscape?
There's a famous cartoon in The New Yorker, came out a couple of years ago, where it's in the back of an airplane and some passenger is stood up and is speaking and he's saying something like, You know, why should we let these arrogant pilots who think they know all about flying airplanes, you know, like fly the plane?
You know, I demand to, you know, I demand a vote of the people to to elect how to fly the plane. Right. No one who saw this cartoon. There you go. No one who saw this cartoon thought that they were laughing at democracy. No one, you know, looks at this cartoon, opens their New Yorker, and says, like, this is an anti-democracy cartoon. It is plainly an anti-democracy cartoon.
It is plainly a cartoon about the absurdity of the literal word democracy. Because, in fact, when you use the words like, you know, meritocracy and civil society and the rule of experts, the Aristotelian word is very, very plain. You're talking about an oligarchy. You're talking about an institutional oligarchy.
If these institutions believed in God, you would call it a theocracy without a second look. It's a regime very similar to the, you know, in ancient Egypt, you know, 3,000 years ago, they had the rule of the priests of Amun. You know, same exact system, right? And the role that elections serve in the system is not too dissimilar to the role that the king of England serves in England. Right.
It's not quite that because, you know, Trump is like Trump is a little like George the third in some ways and that he's trying to revive the power of a kind of dying institution. So, you know, the president's institution, the presidency, because the presidency is very much going the way of it's turning into President Camacho from mediocrity.
It's very much going the way of the British monarchy and becoming almost entirely ceremonial. Why do you say that?
It's losing its power?
The reality. It's been losing its power for 80 years. It lost most of its power in 1945 when FDR died.
Due to Truman or due to FDR?
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Chapter 5: Who were The Secret Six and what was their significance?
He was. He was actually one of the supporters of the leading American terrorist of the period, and he was a member of a group. I don't know if they called themselves this, but they became called that. Brace yourself for a serious comic book name, The Secret Six.
The Secret Six.
The Secret Six.
All right.
All right. All right. You know, you're like, is this a real thing?
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Chapter 6: What role did John Brown play in American history?
Is this a real thing?
Who's The Secret Six?
Who are The Secret Six?
1859.
They were the equivalent of like basically wealthy Saudis who funded Osama.
What?
John Brown. You've heard of John Brown.
Of course. John Brown.
John Brown.
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Chapter 7: How does the discussion of historical figures relate to modern politics?
There's a town of Fremont. near where I live. Fremont's slogan was free men, free soil, Fremont. So if you were a free soiler in the West.
Free man, free soil, Fremont.
Yes, very, very catchy. So what free soil meant was that basically slaves should not be allowed in the territories that were not incorporated as states. And you were like, well, you know, you're against slavery. We're all against slavery, right? You know, actually, the free soil men had a very specific point. They didn't like slavery because they didn't like black people.
They were actually, and the abolitionist movement had many tropes of sort of a modern perspective on race, but the anti-slavery men were a hardcore racist. So for example, Oregon, you might not know this. Oregon, until I believe the 1970s, it was obviously a dead letter, prohibited black people from entering the state of Oregon.
1970 just 50 some years ago yeah yeah in the 1970 i i i forget when it was actually taken out of the constitution oregon was never uh like you know obviously never a confederate state there was never any confederate oregon um yeah you're right um um The ban black people from entering the state were part of history longer for related racist language in the state. I'm a little wrong on the dates.
Related racist language in the state constitution remained until 2002. Right. And this is because of basically the anti-slavery man heritage.
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Chapter 8: What insights are shared about the current political climate in Iran?
The Western Republicans were anti-slavery. The sheik people in Boston were abolitionists. And they managed to form this coalition, which was the Coalition of Lincoln. But if you look at the way Puritans and abolitionists thought – very, very, very similar to liberals today.
Very similar kind of mindset, similar kind of messianic, you know, and they had all kinds of causes, you know, abolitionism was just one of them. Prohibition was another huge cause of these same people, right? And so you kind of recognize when you learn to basically, you know, think about Harvard for a moment.
In a way, Harvard has been the leading institution in American intellectual life for literally almost 400 years. It was founded in 1636. If you look at basically what are the ideas of Harvard at date D, you are going to find them running America at date D plus 10 years, D plus 50 years, D plus 100 years. Right. And so Harvard was founded as a Puritan institution.
Obviously, it was a Puritan college for ministers. Actually, I learned this. I did a debate at Harvard about six months ago with a professor there. And for this, I boned up on the history and I discovered that Harvard is actually somewhat implicated in the Salem witch craze.
What did they say when he brought that up?
They didn't know anything about it. She didn't know anything about it. But, you know, so you have this sort of Puritan religion of Harvard that basically you can watch sort of morph over time from, like, Puritanism into, like, pure hippieism. And, like, there's never a break in that. There's never no foreign army ever comes and takes over Harvard.
Like it's always sort of this process of the kind of internal becoming really. And you can see how Puritanism in the 17th century becomes basically American progressive communism in the 20th and even 21st centuries. And so to understand history in this way as a conservative, you're just like, wait a second, America, for its entire life, has been on the left side of the political spectrum.
So, for example, America is founded by these Puritan settlers, and the Puritans are, of course, Calvinists. And you can find, actually, in a way, the first woke regime in history was actually the strange regime of Edward VII. No, the VI, VI or the VII, maybe the VI. I think the sixth, who is basically this boy king who comes after Henry VIII and before Bloody Mary. No, Edward VI, sorry.
Real brain fart. So basically... You know, Henry VIII has this, of course, religious revolution where he breaks with Rome for various personal and political reasons. But he's not quite part of the, like, extreme left wing, and I think you can really use this term at this time, kind of Protestant thing that's going on in Europe.
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