Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
the words the media should be using to describe mr trump are generous kind honest and genuine he was the ultimate loyalist it's not a question of flip it's a question of answering questions you flip though it's not a flip michael you went on every single channel you talk negatively about the president the man who once said he'd take a bullet for donald trump
The only time I would not if he's the one that was pulling the trigger. I plead guilty in federal court to felonies for the benefit of individual number one. And for the record, individual number one is President Donald J. Trump. Ex-Trump attorney Michael Cohen says New York prosecutors pressured him to target President Trump. I would never have testified. I didn't want to.
And you've been canceled now by both sides. They started getting 20,000 people telling them, if Michael Cohen remains on the network, we're unsubscribing. My audience will say, are you back in this camp? Are you bending the knee? I almost can't say anything.
You chose that job. That comes with the terror. So there's probably two communities watching this saying, why would Michael Cohen go on the PBD podcast? And number two, why would we have Michael Cohen on the podcast today? After he just got fired by Midas Touch, they cut his show and we started talking.
We've been talking for about almost two years because I wanted to get him on to talk about some of the decisions that he made. And it was very uncomfortable in certain moments. very awkward in certain moments, but he was very open. He said some things that I did not think he was going to say. I asked him a question. I said, who do you trust and who trusts you?
You will be very surprised by the answer he gave, and he got emotional when he gave the answer. I said, do you want a pardon from the president? Which side do you trust more, the left or the right? You've been attacked by both sides. Which one is worse? And he was very frank and very open about it. Right before we were going live, he was doing a talk,
for 100 universities, some of the biggest universities, Yale being one of them, to tell him how to handle the lawsuit, how to deal with the president. He opens up and talks about that.
Of course, he told a lot of stories behind the scenes with the president, and you'll see a moment, even an initiative, that he's wanting to share on why he may want to go to the White House and sit down and talk to the president. This is Michael Cohen. President Trump's lawyer wants to go and talk to the president.
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Chapter 2: How does Michael Cohen describe the pressure from New York prosecutors?
You're going to watch this, and I don't know how you're going to process this, but I think by the time it's over, you're going to say, this is definitely the last thing I would have thought for Michael Cohen to do on this show, on PBD Podcast. With that being said, enjoy the interview.
Who is Michael Cohen? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point?
The future looks bright. A handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are a one of one. My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before. But if there's one thing I will tell you while the audience is watching this, they're probably surprised that you're sitting here.
Like if there was anywhere you would be on a podcast right now, your audience is probably surprised you're here.
And my audience is going to say- My audience would kill me.
That's exactly what I'm saying, that you're sitting here. But I got a lot of questions, a lot of things I want to go through. And by the way, it's important that the audience knows nothing is off the table. You get to choose to answer whatever way you want, and I'm going to ask my questions. But something happened right before we got live.
You were doing an interview that I ask you if you're comfortable sharing with the audience. So the head of Yale asked you to speak to 100 presidents of different universities. Why?
So it's Jeffrey Sonnenfeld. He's the head of the Yale University Business School. I've known Jeffrey while I speak at Yale several times a year at Jeffrey's bequest. He brought in 100 university presidents, and the question that they were discussing, the topic, was how to deal with Donald Trump as it relates to being the head of a university.
As we all know, Trump is right now in litigation with Harvard. When I say Trump, I'm talking about the United States of America, with Trump being, of course, the president. There's litigation against Harvard based upon a multitude of issues from DEI to gender equality and the education that they're providing.
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Chapter 3: What led to Michael Cohen being dropped by MeidasTouch?
What feedback did you give them?
I gave them, my recommendation is to settle and settle early. Because if you don't, Trump doesn't stop. He will keep going. He will keep pushing the envelope farther and farther. So if he starts with, say, $100 million as a payment in exchange for removing the restrictions on the grants, my suggestion, try to water down the poison as much as you can.
Maybe get it down to $50 million or $75 million. But if you don't, He and his team will continue to push it. Next thing you know, it's not 100, it's 250. And after 250, it goes to 500. And he keeps the pressure on. That's how we operated at the Trump Organization. See, that's the beautiful thing about Donald Trump. Nothing changes. He's exactly the same.
He operates in the same way that he operated at the Trump Organization. He's running the United States. Identical.
It's as if you're already negotiating on his behalf in the first 30 seconds of our conversation.
Well, if you say so, what I'm doing is I'm providing them with facts.
He's going to see this. So if he sees this, knowing him, that he may use this or he may surprise. Which one do you think he'll do? Will he change his tune and say, I don't like the fact that Michael is saying I'm going to do this. I'm going to change it up. No chance.
No chance. What do you think he does? I say he does the exact same thing that he's doing now. He doesn't change. It's very rare. He knows he has all the leverage. He knows, as he says all the time, I control the cards. And as it relates to these universities, Donald Trump controls the cards. Now, my audience, my audience will say, Michael, what the hell is wrong with you? Why are you saying this?
good things about the president. Why are you saying good things about Donald? Are you back in his camp? Are you bending the knee, right? Are you looking for something from him? The answer is no. A fact is a fact. Whether you like that fact or you don't, a fact is still a fact. Donald Trump will use whatever leverage and pressure that he can on the universities to get them to capitulate.
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Chapter 4: Who does Michael Cohen trust today and who trusts him?
He used the word lowlife. He said, who is the biggest lowlife? And you said it starts with that. So they can play the clip to see it, but I watched the clip, I think, yesterday or something like that. Because I'm watching to see how you were used, okay?
So you go there, and you're thinking you're making the right move, and maybe you still believe that, that with Trump you said things publicly, and then it was very difficult for him for a season. And then the left comes in, and then you've been canceled now by both sides. So for you going through this position, do you sit there and say – Maybe I shouldn't have done this.
Maybe I should have stayed, you know, with Trump. Maybe I should have stayed that position. Has that thought at all crossed your mind?
So it's interesting you bring that up. While I was in Otisville, there was a guy. I won't mention his name because I'm sure he listens to your podcast. He knows exactly who he is. Hey, Sasha. And he turned around. He said to me, why don't you just shut up? He goes, chances are. The second you get out, or even before.
How long ago is this?
Well, that was within the first year that I was there. He goes, Trump will pardon you, and he'll probably bring you back in for all you know. You'll end up with a big contract with Fox. First of all, he goes, you're funny. You're also incredibly knowledgeable. So he goes, you'll probably end up with some sort of a Fox contract. And I said, no, nothing that I've said is untrue.
I said, I will speak the fact whether it's in favor of Trump or not. Now, I didn't take that advice. From a financial standpoint, probably should I have? Yes. Did I? No. Have I been canceled by both sides? Yes.
Would you do anything differently? specifically with the, because to me, okay, well, let me ask a question.
So let me give you, let me give you the better way to sort of frame this question. What ended up pushing me? into the hands of prosecutors was never my desire. It was never my goal. I never wanted the FBI to raid my home, my hotel that I was staying at, or my law office. I never wanted it. Why did it happen? Well, the Russia hoax. And I've always maintained that the Steele dossier was bullshit.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Michael Cohen share about loyalty in politics?
You know when someone says never-Trumper, it's like I'm never doing anything with them. He's the VP, right? Rubio going back and forth, right? Ted Cruz inside working with them, right?
Called him a sniveling coward.
A lot of things, but the point is... He's also a guy that, hey, you come and you give respect. You're back in a circle. Let's do business together. Let's move on.
Chapter 6: How does Michael Cohen describe his relationship with Trump and his inner circle?
And there is that side of him. And some people don't have that at all. There are people you cross them once, you ain't never getting it. That's not him. No. So he does have a side that's, I don't know if I want to say forgiving. I don't know if I want to say... His closest, closest guy right now is probably Marco Rubio. No, no, no. One of the closest guys. I'll grant you that.
I still think one of his closest is probably Steve Witkoff. There's a history that goes back. I have a history with Steve Witkoff outside of Trump.
Real estate, another guy.
And our children are all friends. Wow.
Are you still good with Steve?
If I saw him, sure. Howard Lutnick, I know Howard longer than I know Trump.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of the Trump Emancipation Proclamation Order?
My daughter and his son went to nursery school together. It's 25 years I know Howard. All right. 25 years. I saw him after Trump became president. Came over, gave me a hug the whole bit, gave me a kiss. Hello. How are you? You know, the whole bit. I have no problem with him or or Allison, his wife.
Chapter 8: What experiences does Michael Cohen recount from his time in prison?
Why are they so loyal to him? What's that? Why are they so loyal to him?
Well, there's many different reasons. One, they believe in what Trump's agenda is. And two, it's probably very financially lucrative, you know, for all of them to be in the inner circle.
Okay, so fair to say that. But going back to it with Trump, 2026, how important would you say, like if you were to say one of the most loyal guys I've met to his people is Trump, where would you rank him?
One of the most loyal?
To his people that are loyal to him.
Let's say out of 10 people?
You've met a lot of guys. Where would you rank him? Towards, probably towards the top. Towards the top. Sure. Okay. Sure. Would you have said that in 2020, 2021?
Absolutely. By the way, if you look at my testimony that when I was on the stand, and again, I did not volunteer to be on that stand. I was subpoenaed. By the way, would I have done the 60, 90 days like Peter Navarro or like Allen Weisselberg had I had somebody in my camp? Hell, yeah. Certainly it's a lot better than the six years that I got from that idiot judge, right, off of what?
Off of doing an NDA, right? I mean, that's really what it was about, about an NDA, about the Russia hoax. Had I had even just a shred of loyalty thrown back to me, some care, some knowledge that, hey, let's protect Michael. Let's put our arms around him. That's what a mob boss would do. Don't take the guy and then just say, oh, yeah, point over there. Hey, no, no, no. Look at him.
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