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Joe King of The Fray

13 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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4.579 - 23.17 Robert Smigel

Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy. Not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between-songs banter.

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23.15 - 28.101 Unknown

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

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28.282 - 34.917 Robert Smigel

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34.937 - 52.179 Timbo

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports, and giving you the real story behind the headlines.

52.199 - 69.795 Timbo

And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more, follow TimboSlicelife12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

69.775 - 84.525 Emily Abadi

Life is full of hurdles, so how do you keep going? On Hurdle with Emily Abadi, we're talking with the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, from professional athletes, coaches, and Olympic champions, about the challenges that shape them and the mindset that keeps them moving forward.

84.825 - 91.699 Danielle Fishel

At our level, at this scale, being able to fail in front of the entire world. Like, I can do anything. Like, I can do anything.

91.679 - 97.091 Emily Abadi

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Chapter 2: How did Joe King's childhood influence his music career?

651.447 - 669.506 Joe King

We had it for my entire elementary, you know, from second to sixth grade. Delivering papers in the morning, you know, and, you know, you make a little money. Yeah. And that would help pay for, you know, cleats and bags. So, you know, yeah, it was the financial aspect was it was a struggle.

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669.807 - 684.361 Joe King

And I saw that as I as I got older in my dad and taking a toll on him that he was giving his life to to help people. But, yeah, his family was struggling.

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684.701 - 685.362 Danielle Fishel

Yeah.

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685.342 - 692.694 Joe King

So, and outside of that, you know, being raised in the church, yeah, like I said, I didn't feel comfortable in my own skin.

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692.814 - 693.255 Danielle Fishel

Yeah.

693.275 - 702.13 Joe King

Because I felt like I had to be, you know, maybe like a version that like would make my parents proud or make God proud. Right.

702.15 - 705.355 Danielle Fishel

And held to a higher standard maybe also by everyone in the community.

705.415 - 705.675 Joe King

Yeah.

705.896 - 707.819 Danielle Fishel

Because you're a reflection of him.

Chapter 3: What was Joe King's first encounter with music?

792.819 - 804.673 Danielle Fishel

And I think I didn't even bother to try to not smell like it. My mom just knew right away, like, I can smell you. You smell like smoke. Like, I was just bad at getting away with things. So I'm envious that you knew how to hide.

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805.053 - 814.763 Joe King

I don't know if it's the youngest thing. Yeah. And I certainly had to work on that in my adult life. Like, oh, it's actually not good to hide. Yeah. You don't want to be great at that. Don't want to be good at that.

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814.783 - 816.104 Danielle Fishel

Only when you're a kid does it pay off.

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816.204 - 817.225 Joe King

Right.

817.245 - 817.926 Danielle Fishel

And only sometimes.

818.046 - 830.959 Joe King

And it did literally. Yeah. Because, yeah, speaking of cigarettes, there were grocery stores that I would go to. And in the aisles, they still had like chewing tobacco. Yeah. Not behind the counter.

830.939 - 832.141 Danielle Fishel

Wow. Okay. Yeah.

832.282 - 843.424 Joe King

And so I wore big jackets and would slip those big packages in my jacket and walk out and then sell them.

Chapter 4: How did The Fray's big break happen with Grey's Anatomy?

921.965 - 931.616 Joe King

Right. And then, you know, my reward was this chocolate pie at the end of it, which were like those, those like crusted, I don't know, like almost calzone-esque.

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931.636 - 932.958 Danielle Fishel

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about.

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932.978 - 940.326 Joe King

Like an apple fritter. They were only 25 cents, you know, at the time. And like, I was so excited to get that chocolate pie.

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940.346 - 957.525 Danielle Fishel

That's so cute. Yeah. I love that. My one of my chores growing up was I had to cook dinner with my mom every night. So I had to stay at my mom was a stay at home mom. And so she, you know, cleaned the house every day. She made dinner every night and I would come home from school and have to clean up the dog poop in the backyard.

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957.565 - 981.02 Danielle Fishel

Everyone's favorite chore and then come in, get cleaned up and then time to help my mom make dinner. And at the time, I remember thinking. Oh, why do I have to help make dinner? And in hindsight, it's some of my favorite memories with my mom, because all we would do just talk the whole time, cut the vegetables, boil the water, and then just share about our days.

981.06 - 989.575 Danielle Fishel

And it's probably exactly how she knew the minute I did anything wrong. Then as a teenager, because she had been locked in with me every night while we cooked, she just knew me too well.

990.156 - 990.276 Joe King

Right.

Chapter 5: What challenges did The Fray face in their early days?

996.365 - 1015.032 Robert Smigel

Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy? Not quite. On Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between-songs banter.

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1015.012 - 1019.978 Unknown

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

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1020.139 - 1026.767 Robert Smigel

Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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1026.787 - 1043.867 Timbo

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines.

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1044.067 - 1063.685 Timbo

We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight reel. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered.

1063.925 - 1078.358 Timbo

Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more, follow TimboSliceLife12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

1078.378 - 1099.29 Clifford Taylor IV

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what y'all say. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

1099.791 - 1118.101 Clifford Taylor IV

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast.

1118.341 - 1134.78 Clifford Taylor IV

It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Chapter 6: How did Joe King transition from church music to mainstream?

1760.212 - 1764.096 Danielle Fishel

They weren't landing. You're like, this is how I know I got a good one. I was like, why don't they get it?

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1765.117 - 1794.709 Joe King

Why don't they question anything? Like, am I the only one that's questioning this? Like, what's going on? And I just realized that at that time, questioning wasn't really allowed. Right. And I needed my art to be free. And my songs to be for... everyone and not to have an answer. Right. Um, and so I realized I want to, I want to write these songs.

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1794.769 - 1817.91 Joe King

We want to, we want to start this band and we want this music to be real and not the church music isn't real. I'm not saying that Christian rock isn't real. That's, that's, that's true. And it serves a purpose. Yep. Um, you know, for me and for us, we just had more questions than we had answers. So those early records were all about questions. Um,

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1817.89 - 1833.757 Joe King

And in a way, I mean, if you look at music in general or, you know, rock, pop, rock, whatever, there's a sense of rebellion. And for us, our rebellion was we're not in the church doing this. If the church wants to come, they can come to the bar and see us play.

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1834.057 - 1834.458 Danielle Fishel

Right.

1834.478 - 1857.72 Joe King

You know, because we want everybody to be able to see this. Yeah. And that was hard for my parents at first. Yeah. You know, because I think that they... they thought maybe I'd be the one like leading church service for, you know, 40 years playing, playing songs every Sunday. And when they, when they heard some of those early songs about, you know, questions, it's a little uncomfortable.

1857.82 - 1858.12 Danielle Fishel

Yeah.

1858.281 - 1861.226 Joe King

Cause it kind of, it kind of shakes, shakes up some things.

1861.467 - 1863.27 Danielle Fishel

Yeah. Shakes your foundation. Yeah. Yeah.

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