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Chapter 1: What relationship dynamics are explored between Kyle and Amanda?
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Chapter 2: How does the episode address the challenges of moving out?
It's a big empty space with no furniture. Let's see how long it takes her to get a single piece of furniture. She talks about how she has never lived alone, which I found interesting. I've never really lived alone. Ever? For not very long, no. What about when you were downtown? When I was 16. Yeah. Yeah. I always had friends over. Right. But yeah, I lived there. God, that place was a pigsty too.
Yeah, when you were 16. It was a loft apartment.
We literally, my feet would turn black just from the diesel dust on the hardwood floors because it was downtown LA where all the trucks were.
Yeah.
Like I was right at the intersection of two of the, my lungs were just destroyed. Um, but yeah, so that place I definitely, but then I moved to New York by the time, right when I was 20 and I moved with a girlfriend, we lived separately technically, but we were always at each other's place. I mean, my apartment was basically her apartment.
We lived separate for that first year in New York technically, but then she moved in with me and then stayed. And then, um, Yeah, like I think I have lived alone maybe six months outside of that. I know, man. Other than living with my wife, and I lived with my brother for a while, but I lived alone most of the time. Lived alone all through Boy Meets World.
I mean, seven years, other than the first year with Spencer. Six years in Boy Meets World, and then Greg and I moved in together to the house, and then he moved out, and then I lived in the house for this house I'm still in for got to be five or six years before Sue moved in. So, yeah, and then obviously now we've been together 15 whatever years. But, yeah, no, I've lived alone for a long time.
I loved living alone. Yeah, I think I would love it, man. Like just being able to organize your stuff the way you want it and like, oh, I would be so good at that. It was the best. Sleep when you want, eat what you want, watch what you want, everything. The closest I've had is like when I've been on location for stuff, like I've been, you know, or like when my wife's been away.
But the clearest is like I lived in Australia to do a play. So I got to live there for like three or four months. And man, I had everything dialed in. Everything was so clean. Yeah. That's right. I never thought of myself as a clean freak, but like clearly when I was alone.
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Chapter 3: What insights are shared about Yvonne and Nick's wedding plans?
Cut to Kenny and Whitney. He feels like he's going to pass out because he is calling his dad today. They set up a time to talk after he talked to his dad's new wife the day before. It has been 25 years since they talked.
um and he calls i know so crazy and he calls larry his dad and his dad is on speakerphone and just immediately overjoyed both of them start crying this is really emotional oh my god dude this whole storyline was just like 100 i was in with this whole thing it was it was raw and real and just hearing his father's voice breaking down it was i will this totally sucked me in totally it
And, you know, I was so glad because, like, there was part of me that was like, why, you know, why do this on camera, right? Like, why not just have this be a private moment? Because they're on a reality show. They're on a reality show. But also, you know, he could choose to not do this. Like, he could choose to, like, just make it about his relationship with Whitney and do the father stuff.
But the fact that Kenny's doing it. And, you know, at one point he even kind of says, like, maybe this will help other people. And what I really appreciated was how non-performative this was. Yeah. Like you can tell that both he and his dad are awkward. They're not trying to run away from the awkwardness. They're not trying to make it like a big dramatic thing.
They're just living in the like, wow, look at you. This is weird. I don't know what to say. How do we talk about X, Y, Z? It just felt like it probably actually is. So I was impressed that... You know, if you're going to put this on camera, if you're going to just be honest about it and to let it play out as it really is. And both of them do that.
It's really, you know, not afraid to cry, not afraid to like, you know, admit that they didn't want to cry. And I don't know, it just felt real. I agree. You know, yeah. I agree. And I really like Kenny's confessionals, you know, when he's talking about how, he's gone through so many years of his life just saying, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine.
And then how you're just not, even though you're saying that over and over again. I was like, man, that's such a powerful thing. I really like her too, frankly. I think she's great. I mean, who knows if as a couple they're ever going to last, but as people. Totally. They seem to be pretty great. Yeah, I really like her a lot. Yeah. All right, then we get Danielle and Owen.
Ada, Danielle's mom, comes for a visit bringing... Olive oil, food, seems like she's always being mom, never stops being mom. This reminds me of Vinny's mom on Jersey Shore who just keeps like coming down to the Jersey Shore with his underwear. It's like, here, I did all your wash, I brought you water, like stuff like that. Amazing. Yeah, very similar.
So they're going to try and get rid of some clothes to make room for Owen, which is a... Pretty nice move. Nice move. Then there's this cut to all of her white clothes and a hanger line. And I just couldn't help but think of like Smurfette picking out the same dress. Like, which one do I want to wear? I was like, what are you doing?
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Chapter 4: How does the podcast analyze the timeline of Danielle and Owen's relationship?
Let's be honest, okay? Just from a phrasing standpoint. Take some lover boy milk, Will. Oh, gross. All right. And we've got Amanda with Reese at her apartment, going to the bathroom in her little tiny outdoor square. Her dad, Frank, shows up. I don't know how I feel about splitting up dogs. I don't know how I feel about splitting up dogs. I'll be honest with you. Yeah, I wonder how you do this.
I don't know.
I don't know how I feel about it. I've never been in this situation. I've always get a dog. I get that. But if your dogs are like grew up together, you're like separating siblings. I don't know how I feel about splitting up dogs. That's a good point. I've never thought, I mean, I've only ever had one dog. And when I, when my ex and I broke up, she just kept the dog.
Cause it was like, okay, you know, you just keep, keep it. Do a week on a week off. We're going to do a week at my place with both the dogs. And the next week I'll bring both the dogs to you. I mean, like keep them together. It's gotta be tough, man.
I don't know.
Hugely tough. Her dad's in her phone as Big Daddy. She's never changed it. I think Amanda has some growing up to do. Oh, but so does Kyle. Sure, sure. It's not either or. I just feel like, you know, to realize that this person is... Has A, been in a relationship for 10 years. It's like, that's intense. Like, to still be talking to each other like the way they do. Yeah.
And I mean, I guess she's late 30s, early 40s. She just kind of dresses and acts like a college student to me. Like, you know, like a 22-year-old. She sits around and smokes a lot of weed and doesn't do a whole lot more. Yeah. You know, it's... She takes your dad out on the porch. This is like such a New York thing. Like the speed's so happy about your like two feet of, do you know what I mean?
Look at this, it's a palace. Yeah, exactly. We are so LA that we look at that and we're like, that's crazy as we go out into our giant backyards. Like if somebody had like the size of one of our yards in New York, it would be worth like, $10 million. It's like insane. And I remember feeling that way. Like if you had like a fire escape or like a little, little outdoor thing, you were stoked, man.
That was kind of enough. You could put some plants out there. Well, you had two of the biggest flexes when you're in New York. One, the elevator that goes right to your own apartment. But I had a little porch. But you could also see the river. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, like you had like those, it was like, oh my God, you might as well have been in a mega penthouse with everything.
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Chapter 5: What breaking news regarding The Bachelorette is discussed?
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All right. She mentions to her dad how Kyle always complains about her clutter. Cut to Kyle's apartment where we see the clutter. There's clutter. She apparently put stuff on a bed and said, I'm going to clear this off. And that was two years ago. So he starts purging stuff with, I'm not sure who exactly these two other women are. They're friends.
I think it said at the bottom that originally that they were like an organization company. Okay. Organizing company. Oh, so he hired an organizing company. But he also spoke to them like he knew them. I know. For a moment, I was really afraid that they were his employees at Loverboy. Like, did he like... Now come over and clean out my house.
Yeah, my employees come and take care of my wife's shit for me. I was like, Kyle, don't... I don't know. But okay, if he hired these people, he's paying them. Good. But yeah, purge that shit, man. Kyle, just pack it all up. I don't... Yeah, I agree. He's such a child, too. Just every time, the two of them, they're like two 15-year-olds playing house. Playing house.
Both of them need to grow up so bad. Thank God they never had kids, right?
Oh, man.
I mean, my God. It's two children. Yeah. All right, back with Amanda and her dad. They sort of get into the relationship, the breakup, and he points out that the way you... You made this sound like this was a mutual thing. And then she says, no, she's been spearheading it.
Yeah.
Which is, yeah, like basically she's leaving Kyle. She talks to the camera about how her parents and Kyle have had a complicated relationship. We get some flashbacks to... her telling her parents how he cheated on her. You know, obviously they don't react very well. And then a flashback to Kyle asking her dad for his blessing.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of arranged marriages mentioned in the episode?
I guess Gavin just likes the big baggy pants, rolls them up at the bottom. Owen is joining them because he's kind of new to this group of guys, but Kenny wants him to feel included, which is thoughtful. They make a joke about, Kyle, if you shoot 200 yards, you're going to get laid. which just made me think about the fact that it's maybe been seven years or something.
Except for the one girl he slept with who wasn't his wife. Then they ask him, no, seriously. And he says, yes, that should be the top of the list, but there are so many other things that he's dealing with. Flashback to Kyle telling the guys another time they got together, which we didn't see, about how when Amanda moved out, she was in tears and he feels bad.
And then Kenny asks, I think, the very important question, which is what is it that you keep fighting for? Like, you're really committed to, like, making this work and fighting for this, but... Is that really what you want? Which is such an accurate question. Yes.
Kyle admits that he's scared to think about starting over, which leads Owen to make a comment about, well, hell, every breakup is hard, which then Gavin kind of turns on him and is like, are you sad about your split from your wife? Yeah, it's Gavin's.
a shit stirrer and Gavin this is where I was like Gavin is a bit of a shit stirrer that he is that's all he's doing because then he's like so you met Danielle while you were with your wife he's like just poking walk me through the timeline walk me through the timeline it's like come on dude and then they're like all kind of pressing Owen on like are you divorcing did you file irreconcilable differences all this stuff
And then Gavin jumps in to Kenny and is like, are you interested in Owen? Because that's where you see your relationship, which is like just pushing this thing. And then Kenny tells Gavin that he thrives on toxicity, which I think is true. I 100% agree. And then Gavin sort of like, no, no, no, your relationship is perfect. It's perfect. Never mind.
Yeah, the passive-aggressive kind of thing.
Yes, passive-aggressive acceptance bullshit, which is like, guys have it out. Like, just like... Or just, Gavin, just admit that that's kind of what you're doing. You're just stirring shit. You're stirring shit, you're poking the bear, and you also... And I've met guys like this. They are...
It's your friend that you hang out with, you party with, you pick up chicks with, you do all this stuff, and then they get into a relationship and you're like, well, I want that friendship back, so I've got to try to sabotage that relationship and just needle away at it a little bit to make my friend come back to me so we're at the bars again together. And it's like, ugh.
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Chapter 7: How do Will and Rider reflect on the characters' behaviors?
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Chapter 8: What final thoughts do Will and Rider share about the episode's themes?
No, these are not people that love each other. These people don't even like each other. No, that's the thing. So it's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing to me. Yeah. She brings up him cheating in the past, really hammers home this bad behavior. Yep. And she has this line. She says, like, I know what you want from me, which I guess means...
more attention to his work or respect for, you know, but she doesn't think that he's capable of changing for her, which is just kind of unfair. I'm like, okay, well, if that's the way you feel, then why are you even giving him- Then what are we doing here? Yeah, exactly. Like spell it out for him, give him the chance to change. I think the drinking is the thing that she's spelling out the most.
I think it's the drinking. It's like, you gotta, and again, that's hugely legitimate. I mean, if you're married to an alcoholic or somebody who's got a serious drinking problem, that's a big deal. And it's like... And it's so insidious, though, too, because, I mean, it's hard, because I'm sure Amanda enjoys a drink every once in a while. We've seen her enjoy drinks. She's a weed smoker, yeah.
So there's always... That's the hard part about drinking, you know, and drugs. It's just... it's really hard to step in and like draw that line, you know, because you don't want to push people away too forcefully. If you're like, you need to stop drinking or I'm never going to talk to you again, chances are that person's not going to talk to you again.
No, that's not how you do it. No, it's not.
That's why the interventions and that kind of stuff of like, I love you. I'm here for you. We need to do this together. This is affecting both of us, but we got to work on this. I mean, that's not how she's coming at it even slightly. So, but yeah, it's, I get, I mean, I get, I wouldn't want to be married to somebody in my early 40s who's out till 2, 3, 4 o'clock every morning.
I mean, that'd be awful. If I didn't have kids, I would.
Would you?
I'd be out there with them. No, you wouldn't be out there till 4 o'clock. Oh, God.
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