Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. Our guest this Sunday is Graham Plattner, who's running for Senate in Maine. He's currently in a Democratic primary race against Maine Governor Janet Mills that will be decided in June. And the winner will try to finally defeat Susan Collins in November.
If Graham has been on the show before, you might remember that his interview with Tommy in October is where he revealed that he got a skull and crossbones tattoo as a young Marine that he says he later learned was a Nazi symbol. And right after his PSA appearance, he got the tattoo covered up.
I, of course, asked about that, but I mainly wanted to learn more about what Graham Plattner actually believes about politics. What life experiences shaped his beliefs? What his theory of change is? What kind of a person he is? And what kind of a senator he'd be? All important questions because despite the early controversies over the tattoo and his long trail of Reddit posts,
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Chapter 2: What is Graham Platner's background and motivation for running for Senate?
He also asked you, and then you talked about the tattoo. You've since had the tattoo covered up. Yeah, actually I had it covered up like two days after that. I remember a few weeks after that, I had a main voter who I know say to me, I like Plattner. I'm leaning Plattner. I don't think he's a secret Nazi. But then they said, you know, my concern is I saw that a few people left his campaign.
One of them said Plattner knew the tattoo was a Nazi symbol when he started running. Someone else told CNN the same thing. I'm just wondering if I can trust him. Now, if you win the primary, because I'm sure you've probably been able to meet a lot of primary voters just campaigning around Maine. It's the benefit of a small state. And general voters, to be honest. Maine's not very big. Right.
If you win, of course, Super PACs will run millions of dollars of ads. To this effect, can we trust him? Is he telling the truth? What about all these positions? To reach voters who aren't politically engaged or aren't as politically engaged or aware as maybe some of the voters who've come to your events. Yep. What will your response be and what is your strategy to push back?
So this response is going to be exactly what it was, which is like I'm happy to talk about all this stuff. I, when that whole thing started, it like never crossed any of our minds to like run away from it. It was just kind of like, no, I mean, this is just, it's part of my life and in many ways, it's kind of part of my political journey. And so I'm happy to, happy to discuss it.
One, what we're doing in Maine is we are truly trying to build a real on the ground, organized, broad coalition of, frankly, working class power. And in the doing of that in a state that's as small as Maine is. By the time we get to the general, I'm going to have either directly connected with a substantial portion of the electorate or a bunch of people who are just going to tell their friends.
And the way Maine tends to work is that people trust their friends and their neighbors more than they trust TV ads from political groups. And part of our strategy, quite frankly, is just to cut through all of it by engaging as many people as possible. And personally interacting with is, I do three to six public events a day. I mean, I do not sleep much and that's fine.
You might meet everyone in Maine then.
We very well might meet everyone in Maine. And we go everywhere. I mean, this is not like, we're not doing some kind of weird math about like, oh, we've got our win number and we're only gonna focus on that. Like for me, we truly need to change politics.
And to do that, we have to engage with everybody, even people who we might not agree with, even people who might initially be very either resistant or hesitant or even oppositional to the message. Although we have found that when we do engage with those folks, we have a lot of common ground.
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Chapter 3: How has Graham Platner's campaign evolved amidst controversies?
the same protections that all other 570 nationally, federally recognized tribes get. So it means that the main tribes have to spend a bunch of money on lobbyists in Washington, DC, because for legislation to impact them, they need to be named specifically. So they have to have people in Washington to make sure that Maliseet, Penobscot, Passamaquoddy, that that gets added as words into bills.
There have been multiple attempts to fix this, and the governor has opposed all of them, both as attorney general and as governor. So to me, that is also a pretty fundamental difference around, I don't know, like a foundation of political philosophy. I do not see expanding tribal sovereignty in Maine as a bad thing at all.
I think it's good, and I also think it's morally the correct thing to do, since we have been not good faith actors in our relationships with the tribes. And so like there are, and then last but not least, rather big one I think is, I think we have to tax the rich.
And the governor has vetoed multiple bipartisan bills, some written by Republicans that were trying to raise taxes on the wealthy in Maine, creating three new tax brackets was completely reasonable. And the governor vetoed that.
And again, that just doesn't show a commitment to going after where the money is, which I think as we move into this next phase in American history, I think that that's gonna have to be like a pretty foundational element of our politics going forward.
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Chapter 4: What insights does Graham Platner share about community organizing in rural Maine?
I mean, I've always been... politically, I was a big history buff when I was a kid, which in many ways kind of makes you sort of politically aware just because you're, you're doing that. Um, in high school, I was really, I was introduced to more critical thought like Howard Zinn, uh, and Chomsky.
I, you know, at that point, but I, I remember reading those things and like being like, yeah, some of this makes sense. But I also still was very much like a bit of a patriotic young man, and I always wanted to join the military, so I had this kind of weird militaristic bent that I really can't explain, but since I was two, I wanted to be a soldier.
It was really after my military service that I began to think much more deeply about it, primarily because I had four tours in the infantry, and I fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I really came to believe that what we were doing was not what we were claiming to do. I could not figure out what the immense amount of violence I partook in, what that did for the town of Sullivan, Maine.
And to this day, no one's ever been able to explain to me. I do know that some people made a lot of money off the wars that I fought in, and it wasn't the young men and women who did the fighting, and it certainly wasn't the civilians that we inflicted just wild amounts of violence upon. It's defense contractors, and it's folks in political power.
So I became very critical of American foreign policy. Which as I, then that kind of just set me on a road of being, well, if I'm critical of foreign policy, why is our foreign policy like this? So I became more critical of our political structures. And once you start being critical of the political structure, you're like, well, why is our political structure like this?
And that takes you into like an economic critique. And you start to realize that, oh, I like this whole system in many ways does seem to be built by people in power with wealth to maintain or expand their wealth and power generally to the to the immiseration or diminishment of regular working folks.
And I think the reason this campaign has sort of blown up the way it has is I think a lot of people are getting wise to this. I think a lot of folks are like, wait a second, this stuff that we all thought for years, We are getting a totally different outcome from what we claim we're trying to do. So are we actually trying to do the thing that we claim or is all of this doing something else?
And when you reframe the question of like, does all of this exist just to like screw working people and make somebody else rich? Suddenly a lot of decisions we make begins to become a lot more clear. And so that's kind of where I've, it's been a long journey. I mean, it's definitely not been, I didn't like have a day where I'm like, oh, I figured it out, but.
Well, and obviously, so obviously you're like shaped by your experiences in Iraq. You come home, all the, everything you just said, you know, you could have found out by just being on the internet, right? And reading about politics and reading the news. But you decided before you, long before you ran for Senate to like get involved in community organizing, which I find really interesting. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What are Graham Platner's views on Medicare for All?
And I was like, okay, well, nobody has any new ideas. This is insane. And I came back and I was really kind of just at a loss of what to do. And I decided to kind of opt out. And I moved back to my hometown, became an oyster farmer, started working on the ocean and really wanted to just check out But while I did that, I also began to connect to my community. I live in a town of a thousand people.
It's the town I was born and raised in. I wound up on the planning board. I wound up being the harbor master. And in doing all that, I began to see like really the value of building trust and relationships and just organizing on the ground. And I also began to realize that organizing is actually not that complicated. It's just really hard. And that there is no graduate version of it.
It's all one-on-one stuff.
And it's hard because it is difficult to get people to participate, to care, to sort of break down barriers.
Well, and because you have to put a lot of time, unpaid labor into it. You have to believe. And you have to go out into your community and you have to tell people what you believe. which is also hard. And it requires you to kind of open yourself up to a lot of people who, like people who I know, who you have to like kind of say like, this is what I believe.
And sometimes people are like, I'm not into that. And you're like, oh, you're my neighbor. That bums me out. But you have to do it. And we had a number of issues in Eastern Maine. For instance, there was a school board race
an out-of-state PAC came in with a bunch of money and backed a very anti-trans candidate and somebody who'd been on the board for 13 years, who was well-respected in the community, who everybody liked, lost his seat. And a month later, the school district pulled back protections for LGBTQ kids that had been there for six years.
For no reason, just because- Outside pack getting involved in a local school board race in Sullivan. Local school board race. Yeah, technically in Franklin, but yeah, we have an RSU, so a regional school unit. Got it. And it was this moment for myself and a few other people where we watched this happen and it only happened because it was no organizing versus a little bit of organizing.
They had people to knock doors and this guy had himself. It's a small town school board race. And there was no apparatus to support him. There was no way of like getting people to knock doors for him. He was calling around almost like frantic, understanding what was happening like with a week until the election. And there really wasn't anything that existed.
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Chapter 6: How does Graham Platner address the impact of corporate interests in politics?
I'm a nerd, so I looked up the election results in Sullivan for the last decade. Quite a bellwether. Barely goes for Trump in 2016 by like less than 1%, although as you said, it's like a thousand people. Jared Golden barely wins in 18, barely flips to Biden in 20. Trump squeaks out a win in 2024. I'm sure you know most of the people there. What are their politics like?
What do people believe there?
It's a, I mean, everybody works really hard. Eastern Maine is fantastic. economically depressed. It's commercial fishing. It is a lot of construction, mostly because we have some pretty substantial summer communities nearby, which brings money in. And then across the bay from us, we have Acadia National Park. So there's a lot of folks that work in industries that are related to tourism.
So it's a very... It's a very working class area, which I frankly, as I think why it is this kind of weird back and forth between like Trumpism and not Trumpism. Because, I mean, Trump, I have a lot of friends who voted for Donald Trump three times and they hate billionaires. They think corporate tech folks are like manipulating all of us.
They think that corporate owned agriculture and food systems are exploiting all of us and essentially poisoning us. They think that hedge funds and private equity are like destroying working people's lives. I agree with all of this.
One of the reasons they voted for Trump is because Trump came along and he told them the one thing that they knew was true was true, which is that they live in a system that is not built for them and somebody somewhere is robbing them blind.
And once he said that, they were willing to kind of forgive all the other stuff because that's the core thing that people understand, that we live in a political and economic system that does not have their best interests at heart. When you tell people that something they know in their bones is real, they're willing to kind of go along with a lot more, I think, afterwards.
And one of the biggest problems we as Democrats have had is that we didn't have a counter to that. We told folks that we had to protect the status quo. We told folks that, no, the economic system's actually doing great. Did you guys not see that Wall Street's doing fine? GDP looks great. Unemployment is record low. Yeah, but everybody works three jobs and they hate them.
So it doesn't matter if unemployment's low. Working people are working themselves to the bone. I think that that's why ... I'm utterly convinced that economic populism, going after the oligarchy, that is how we kind of rebuild trust with working people. I say this ... This is not a radical idea.
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Chapter 7: What is Graham Platner's stance on U.S. foreign policy and military intervention?
I mean, absolutely to the financial crisis. Bailing out the banks, bailing out the big industries, letting people walk away with gold or jump away with golden parachutes while those banks still turn around and foreclosed on people's homes. While... the average working person saw their, frankly, their retirement savings just disappear.
And then we watched the political apparatus back up the people that broke the thing in the first place. I think that was huge. That broke a lot of trust.
And then further on, you know, like the- So I was in, you know, I was there. I was in the White House. We sort of knew that this was going to happen. We walk into the White House. Bush had already done the bailout. Yep. And we can't really undo it at that point because we can't let the banks fail. The whole system goes under. And we make sure that the banks pay all the money back with interest.
The fucking executives get away with the golden parachutes. And I remember like trying to, I remember talking to Larry Summers about it. And I was like, he's like, it's contract law. We can't claw back the bonuses. Like it's illegal. We're not, we're going to get fought. I'm like, okay. We can talk about contract law, but there's like people with pitchforks outside the White House.
So like, you know, same thing with like, why didn't anyone go to jail? Well, the laws aren't there. The DOJ won't prosecute because the laws aren't there. And obviously we can't direct the DOJ to do anything anyway. Obama gives an interview where he calls these people fat cats. He gets in trouble for calling them fat cats, let alone all the policies. I think looking back.
There's plenty of criticism over our housing policy, though even then at the time I remember them being like, well, we'd love to bail out people who lost their homes in this, but we don't want to bail out the people who bought second and third homes that they knew they couldn't afford because then we're rewarding people who acted irresponsibly. So there was all this. We passed the Recovery Act.
We passed the Affordable Care Act. We spent a whole bunch of money that then we lose the midterms over spending that much money. And I only bring this up not to defend any of it because I often look back on it and think like – we're going to have another crisis and another crisis. And you get Republicans who are like, we'll let the whole fucking thing fail and we don't care.
And then we'll just blame the immigrants. That's right. And then you get the Democrats being like, okay, we're going to try our best to solve the problem and it's not going to be good enough. And then everyone's going to hate us and say that we are tied to corporate interests. You know, it's like, it's a hard... Totally.
But I also think that that's why, I'll just be entirely upfront. I mean, I think that's why we need to... kind of change the political will of the Democratic Party to go a little bit further, to actually go after. I mean, people should have gone to prison. I mean, Iceland put people in prison.
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Chapter 8: How does Graham Platner plan to engage with voters in the upcoming election?
I mean, that's a big one. We used to have laws in place. There's a reason 2008 happened in 2008 and not 1994. I mean, we changed rules. And frankly, a lot of Democrats supported that stuff.
And until we become a party that doesn't do that, until we become the party that uses the tax code to go after the money that, in my opinion, has actually been stolen from working people in this country over the past four decades, until we use, frankly, like the anti-monopoly laws we already have on the books, we just have to stop having Robert Bork's wild reading of what a monopoly is, until we do that, I think people aren't going to trust us.
I guess a big question I've had for much of the last decade is like, can Democrats win over people who have more culturally conservative beliefs with economic populism alone? Because I very much want to believe that the answer is yes.
I have not seen the evidence that it can, and I realize the sample size is small, but like, you know, Bernie Sanders runs in 2016, Bernie Sanders runs in 2020, gets a hell of a lot of votes, still getting big crowds, did not win either race, obviously.
Your friend Sherrod Brown, who is a perfect example of an economically populist Democrat who still holds liberal views on other issues, has not sort of tacked to the middle on any cultural views, held out in Ohio for a while and then just lost his last race. And hopefully he wins again this year as well. Oh, fingers crossed. But what do you think about that?
I think that it's... When I think the landscape has changed now, I do fundamentally think that a lot of people, even who hold culturally conservative views, are realizing that they are in fact getting taken for a ride on the economic side. I think it's more clear now that it has been.
But the Epstein files also are showing people of all political stripes that there is in fact a class of people who lives above accountability and lives above and kind of sees the rest of us as like this sort of amorphous blob to either just extract wealth out of so they can go live depraved lifestyles. I think that's actually really helpful, one, because people are realizing that it's true.
But in my experience in Maine thus far, I have a lot of people come up to me at events and in public who identify as Republicans, identify as conservatives, tell me straight up that they do not agree with some of the things I say, but that they think the fact that I'm fighting back against the establishment and the system, that that's more important and that's why they're going to vote for me.
And it's anecdotal, but it also pans out in the polling. I mean, we do really well with independents. For a long time, the whole story was is that independents are this like magic moderate middle and that if you have any kind of sort of, you know, populist or progressive, as we define it, views, that you'll never appeal to those folks.
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