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Why is Jay‑Z’s new HBO docuseries “JAŸ‑Z In 8” being released now?

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Ayesha Harris 0:28
So you may have noticed Jay-Z's been everywhere lately. It's been 30 years since his acclaimed debut, Reasonable Doubt. And to celebrate, he put on a series of sold-out, star-studded concerts at Yankee Stadium, made a big show of cutting off his famous locks, and now this. Jay-Z in 8, an HBO docuseries where Hove dissects song lyrics across his catalog with the storied producer Rick Rubin. The obvious play here is to further cement his legacy as one of the most revered lyricists of our times. But Jay-Z's always been this kind of polarizing figure when it comes to how he's moved as a business mogul and in his personal life. So who is this series for exactly? And does it do what it sets out to do? I'm Ayesha Harris, and we're going to get into that here on NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour with culture writer and critic Shamira Ibrahim.
Ayesha Harris 1:16
Hi, Shamira. Great to have you here.
Unknown 1:18
Hey, Ayesha. Great to be here, as per usual.
Ayesha Harris 1:21
Yes, yes, yes. So look, the concept here is pretty simple. Over eight episodes, it's just Jay and Ruben sitting in the middle of an empty, lavish hall in Paris, playing and then picking apart tracks like Meet the Parents and Can I Live? And it's shot in black and white by the great cinematographer Bradford Young, who worked on the movies Arrival and Selma. Jay-Z is a producer on this project, as is Rick Rubin and Daniel Kaluuya. So essentially, this is like old school rap genius annotations or a collegiate English masterclass, but make it high art.
Unknown 1:54
Right. Right, right. I mean, I feel like it's many things. I'm not entirely sure that I feel like it's a documentary, though, which is kind of my sticky point on how it's been packaged, you
Ayesha Harris 2:04
know? That is absolutely fair. I think we can kind of debate those merits. Absolutely. But yeah, Jay-Z and 8 is airing on HBO and streaming on HBO Max. And so Shamira, I guess let's just get into it. Like, who do you think this was meant for? And generally speaking, do you think it's doing what it set out to do, as I've already kind of I'm curious what your thinking is on that front.
Unknown 2:26
Well, I think that's my ultimate question, right? I don't know what it sets out to do. I don't know if it sets out to provide novel insight into Jay-Z's lyricism, which is a project he's done repeatedly over the years, starting probably with the early 2010s with Decoded, which he worked on directly with Dreamhampton as a book.
Nate Rott 2:43
Or
Unknown 2:44
if it's supposed to provide novel insight into his life, which there are glimpses of Jay-Z's life, but there aren't really extensive swatches of novel insight that the average superfan wouldn't already know, unless you're really curious to know how he feels about the Tupac Biggie beef. In which case, then you will find out plenty, I guess, right? Sure, sure. This was the record that made Tupac and I have a little bit of problem.

How does the series format (eight episodes, black‑and‑white visuals, Rick Rubin as co‑host) shape its purpose?

Unknown 3:09
It's just because him and big and I was next to big and thing. But on this song, when he ends it, I'm warning you. The next thing he said, I'm warning you, was most hated in California. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. You're taking that out. I don't want to be a part of that. I think it's like a remarkable testament to like the desire of someone as large as Jay-Z to feel the need to cement and establish his legacy, but also rub up against his inclination to have as much control as possible over his narrative and the myth of his rise as possible, right? It leaves you with like this tension of like, well... you want me to celebrate you, but you want to control what I know about you to celebrate and also resist any interrogation, right?
Unknown 3:52
He bristles against the idea that we have a right to challenge him on his perceptions of things, right? Right.

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