Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to First Time Founders. I'm Ed Elson. Young people are spending far less time together in real life. In fact, face-to-face socializing among teens has dropped 50% since 2003. That trend sparked an idea for my next guest, who set out to build a product to change that. And by many metrics, it is succeeding.
Back in 2020, she launched a startup with a simple goal, make it easier for people to gather offline, just as a global pandemic forced everyone apart. But against the odds, the company survived and has since become a go-to event platform for young people. Now, with millions of users across more than 100 countries, It is redefining how a generation makes plans and shows up in person.
This is my conversation with Shreya Murthy, CEO and co-founder of Portiful. Shreya Murthy, thank you for joining me on First Time Founders.
Thank you so much. It's great to be here.
I think every young person listening to this podcast probably knows what Partiful is. I use it all the time. All of my friends use it all the time. Anytime we are getting people together for a dinner party or any kind of event, we are using Partiful. But I'm sure there are a lot of other people who maybe don't know what Partiful is. What is it?
Partiful is the easiest way to get together in real life. It is a platform available on app and web where you can plan any kind of event, invite friends, figure out who's going and communicate seamlessly with guests. And so at its core, it's a social utility. But what it's become is a cultural phenomenon, which is just so cool for our very small team.
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Chapter 2: What inspired Shreya Murthy to create Partiful?
I mean, that's how we would get together before. You just send a message to your friends on iMessage or Facebook Messenger, or maybe you start a DM group chat on Instagram. I mean, technically speaking, functionally speaking, it's not doing all that much, and yet it has become this... worldwide phenomenon. So what is the reason for that? Is that the vibes, as you say?
I would actually disagree that it's not doing that much. Back when we were texting everyone to plan a party, like that was terrible. You were in a noisy group chat. I think group chats max out at like 30 people. It's different on each messaging platform, but there's a limit to how many people you can even have in a group chat. So if you're
planning a big event, throwing a big party, you literally can't use that. When you invite people in a group chat, everyone's dropped into a group chat with a bunch of strangers. It's noisy. There's information that's not relevant to you. And it's really hard to parse the most important details for both the host and the guest, which is like, when is it? Who's going to be there?
And what are all the logistical pieces of information I need to know? And so when we were building Partiful, we were in the dark ages of group chats for planning parties. And the distribution of parties is often broader than what's in a group chat. What happens if you want to invite someone that you're in touch with on Instagram or X or wherever it is?
Chapter 3: How did Partiful adapt during the pandemic?
Like all of a sudden you have these fragmented social connections. And with something as important as figuring out your headcount for a party, you need everyone on the same page. And so what we did is literally build a page for everyone to be on. And so there's real utility for hosts to always know who's coming first.
be able to send a message to all their guests and not worry about annoying people because those messages are going out individually to each person instead of on a noisy group chat, and for guests to have one place to go to easily get all the information they need. And so I really think it is the combination of both real utility as well as vibes that has made Partiful what it is today.
Take us back to when you were just coming up with the idea. Why did you decide to do this? Was it because maybe you didn't enjoy the experience dealing with these group chats, trying to figure out logistics? Why did you start this company?
I was going through a quarter-life crisis, I'll be honest with you. I think like many people in my early mid-20s, I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life and wanted to build something that felt really aligned with my values and what I really cared about. doing in the world.
And the biggest problem that I was seeing both on a societal level and on a personal level was that there was this trend towards social isolation. Even back then, it had become so easy to get addicted to your phone. which is fundamentally a solitary experience. You're just like sitting there on your couch in your bed scrolling endlessly for hours. And I was doing that.
Everyone I knew was doing that. And so it had gotten so much harder to step into the real world and find real connection. And then on a personal level, as I got older, I found it a lot harder to meet new people and make new friends. I
took it for granted in college that i was just surrounded by like-minded people who i had ample opportunities to hit it off with but when i started working i was way busier there were fewer people around me and i just didn't have that many avenues to build my social circle And so part of it was really trying to solve that problem first for myself and then for everyone else.
Because what I did know was that the easiest way to meet people was through parties. I have always been a party girl. That was a big part of college for me. I was in a sorority. I paid probably as much attention to my social life as I did to academics. Right. And what I learned from that was, yes, obviously parties are fun. They are fundamentally about entertainment and having a good time.
But they also provide this really important engine of building community. They're an authentic way to meet new people and meet people who aren't technically strangers but are actually friends of friends or you have some preexisting social connection. And then they're also a way to grow closer to weak connections that you do have.
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Chapter 4: What makes Partiful a cultural phenomenon among young people?
This was straight from the heart. It was just how I was feeling. I was feeling lonely. And so many people around me were feeling lonely. And I don't think I could have started this company or any company by looking at the data or doing any kind of top down analysis. It was fully from the heart of just what do I care about solving?
And at the early stages of building a company, you have nothing to lose, right? You've built nothing. And so if it doesn't go well, you've lost nothing. And so I just kind of put it all out there. I was like... I want to solve this for myself. And even if I just build a better way for me and my friends to hang out, I think I will have done something great for my own life.
And if that works and other people feel the same way, maybe we could actually do this for millions or even billions of other people. And that was the hope.
How did you get started? Did you have any engineering background? What was the first few weeks and months of starting this company?
I have an incredible technical co-founder named Joy. She is the engineering brains behind the company and the brains behind so much more. So I met Joy through a mutual friend in 2019, and I told her about what I wanted to build. And I was very lucky that she got super excited by the idea because she also plans parties. She plans very elaborate parties.
and felt so many of the same stresses and struggles around, you know, the logistics and figuring out who's going and making sure that you have enough food for everyone and managing the timing. And so she, as an engineer, was really passionate about building a solution to this. And so we spent a few months just mind melding about what kind of product we wanted to build, what kind of
company we wanted to build, what our goals were, what our values were. And we got really lucky that all of those things aligned. We did a bunch of those like co-founder quizzes where you each answer a bunch of questions and then you compare your answers to see if you're aligned. And once we decided we were aligned, we're like, okay, let's just do this.
So you decide you're going to do it and then a gigantic global pandemic hits. Then what happens?
Yeah, that was that was terrible. I'm not going to lie. So we decided to start the company together in January of 2020. And I was very naive. It was my first time starting a company. And I was just like, OK, well, I think the next thing you do is like you go and try to raise some venture funding. So let me go try to do that.
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Chapter 5: How does Partiful differentiate itself from traditional group chats?
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Kind of felt like a sort of spaceship where you relax and... And think nice thoughts. So I did that for a little bit. Then we went over to The Wing, which are these acoustically sealed booths where you could do some work. You could even record a podcast. I didn't do that, but maybe I should have. It was a very enjoyable experience.
So, Ed, the real question here is, what are you planning to get me for my birthday?
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We're back with First Time Founders. So it's really interesting because I remember during COVID, there was this assumption among a lot of people that this was going to change the world forever. And in a lot of ways, it did. I would say remote work was kind of a permanent change, or at least there is a lot more remote work today.
But something else that a lot of people were saying was that this is going to change the way people socialize. We're going to start having virtual experiences. Facebook decided to change its entire name to Meta because they thought we were all going to be living in the metaverse and that's how we were going to be interacting.
We saw billions of dollars funneling into this idea that we're never really going to get together in person anymore. That was just the vibe that everyone was sort of going with. I can imagine... As a founder, being in that environment and your whole product, your whole idea is getting people together in person. I mean, while the whole world is kind of in agreement, this is not the future.
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Chapter 6: Why is the concept of 'vibes' important for Partiful's success?
Yeah. I'm not sure how else to describe it. Even the way that it communicates to you, it'll say, you know, every time that you open it up, it has a new message. Mm-hmm. Talk a little bit about how you created such a good product, which I think is probably your moat at this point in a world where anyone could build a very similar platform.
It's interesting because we do hear a lot from, you know, evidenced by both the largest companies in the world and, you know, other startups or people out there just being like, oh, yeah, I could build Partiful, right? It's just like a page and you let people RSVP. Like, that doesn't seem that hard.
And the truth is that what makes Partiful so incredible is that our team is obsessive about every little detail and making that detail fantastic.
frictionless and delightful and all of that adds up to something that feels so effortless and fun and you can't achieve that unless you do obsess over the details the way we do and so our engineers and designers will spend so much time thinking about an individual flow an individual screen you You know, where are we placing the buttons? What does this mean?
How easy is it for the user to understand what to do next? How can we limit the number of steps it takes to get what you want out of the product? And I think that workflow of just being so obsessive, which is coming from how we want to feel. So when I say we pour our heart and soul into building Partiful, it's not just a platitude.
What it means in practice is that when we're building something, we think about how we would want to feel, how we would want to be treated. So, you know, if you see an app with like a bunch of pop-ups and it's like really annoying and you have to tap out of everything, it's like, that sucks. Like, I hate it when apps do that to me. So why would I do that to our users?
Right.
And instead, I pay attention when I do encounter a product that feels very effortless and delightful and makes me smile. And I do think about why is that? Why did that just feel so good and easy? And so we take our own user experience as people in the world feeling the same problems that I think all of our users feel. And we try to pour that into every product decision we make.
So that we're always aligned with what we think is in the best interest of our users because it's what we would want for ourselves.
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Chapter 7: What challenges did Shreya face while starting Partiful?
They don't want to be Interesting, creative, delightful. These are words that I feel like are not showing up in most product management conversations. So how do you accomplish that from sort of an organizational perspective? How do you, I mean, what are the values that you instill in the team such that you have a product that is beating Apple when they try to come up with a competitor?
So the big thing is we hire incredibly creative people and we let them loose on the product. We have some defining principles for how we build, but we're very careful to not have too many rules. I think one of the most common things I find myself saying, especially to our design team, is go crazy with it. Just go into a room and just cook and tell me what you come back with in a few days.
And when you hire incredibly creative people and you give them that kind of freedom, you're allowing great things to happen and things that you wouldn't otherwise see. And where I think it gets constricted is when there are a lot of either explicit or implicit rules that constrain a product.
Mm-hmm.
These can be more technical rules. These can be design system rules like, oh, you can't build anything that falls out of our design system. You have to use existing components. And obviously, design systems are great. Components are great. We have a lot of them.
But if we want to build something really cool and there isn't an existing component for it, we'll just go build that and we'll figure out the systemization of it later. Or, you know, if we want to, you know, we don't have a set of copy rules that we follow for what copy can go in the product. We just tell people, talk as though you were talking to a friend.
Like, what would you say if you were speaking to a friend and speak that way to our users in the product? And then, you know, the people who write copy for the product just write very naturally, right? And, you know, the people on our team are funny and smart and clever. And so the copy ends up being really good.
And so I think it's just about unleashing the creative potential of highly talented people that makes that possible and then organizationally limiting the amount of rules that you apply, which end up creating so many constraints.
Is there a downside to that? I agree. And I generally have the same message for my team, which is go crazy, take a lot of risks, see what happens. And if it doesn't work, whatever, we'll just try another thing. Because I think that it's important for things to be fresh and interesting and creative. But... At the same time, rules exist for a reason. Systems exist for a reason.
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