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Trump Is Enjoying Himself

28 Apr 2025

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Why would President Donald Trump invite The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, whom Trump has attacked as a “total sleazebag,” to meet with him in the Oval Office? We talk with Goldberg about what Trump told him about Signalgate. We also talk with Atlantic staff writers Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer about the lessons Trump learned from his time in the political wilderness, and how he is applying them in his second term (which he is apparently experiencing as a grand adventure). Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1.896 - 26.501 Michael Scherer

Jeder Läufer kennt diesen Moment, wenn es einfach klickt. Wenn deine Beine einfach mitgehen, der Schmerz nachlässt, die Zweifel weg sind und du nur noch das Runners High spürst. Das ist der Grund, warum du so früh aufstehst. Warum dich ein bisschen Regen nicht aufhält. Warum Laufen zum Ritual wird. Also laufe und fühle das Runners High. Go Wild und erfahre mehr übers Laufen auf puma.de

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35.846 - 38.747 Karla Lally Music

Okay, Jeff. You get invited to the Oval Office.

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38.827 - 39.387 Jeffrey Goldberg

Yes.

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39.427 - 40.748 Karla Lally Music

By a guy.

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40.768 - 41.748 Jeffrey Goldberg

By a guy.

41.788 - 46.53 Karla Lally Music

Who has referred to you as a total sleazebag and the editor of a failing magazine.

46.91 - 47.57 Jeffrey Goldberg

Yeah.

47.61 - 55.093 Karla Lally Music

How did you expect he would receive you? Like, as you were going over there, what did you think was going to happen?

55.113 - 59.635 Jeffrey Goldberg

80% he would be full charm offensive. 20% he would start yelling at me.

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