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Radiolab

Weighing Good Intentions

15 Aug 2025

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1.229 - 23.98 Lulu Miller

This is Radiolab. I'm Lulu Miller. Over the last few months, as we've been watching public lands come under peril, massive cuts to the National Park Service, proposals to sell off millions of acres of public lands being debated, I keep thinking about this one moment in a piece I reported about 15 years ago in a kitchen in rural Michigan.

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23.96 - 42.964 Lulu Miller

I encountered one of the best defenses of conservation I've ever heard. And it came from such an unexpected person that it was almost like a jump scare. Anyway, I'm saying too much. So I'm going to turn it over now to OG host of this here program, Jada Boomrod, for a story we called Weighing Good Intentions.

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44.165 - 49.952 Radiolab co-host / interviewer (Jad / show banter) - Unknown

Wait, you're listening.

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50.093 - 50.633 Radiolab co-host / interviewer (Jad / show banter) - Unknown

All right. Okay. All right.

50.653 - 52.836 Chris Mensing

You're listening to Radiolab.

53.238 - 66.855 Radiolab co-host / interviewer (Jad / show banter) - Unknown

Okay, so set up this story. This story happens where?

67.296 - 90.303 Lulu Miller

It's in a little town in northern Michigan called Mayo. 7 a.m. Just drove through the Delaware water gap. That's me on my way out there from New York. The sun is rising and... It's about an 800-mile drive. And it's just gorgeous out here. Dude, listen to you. Lush and... All into the outdoors. It's like nauseating. Yeah. I know, but I'm just one of those people.

90.323 - 98.601 Lulu Miller

I open my windows and... When I get out into nature... Sweet air. I feel my place in the world. Anyway. Just crossed into Mayo.

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