Is it Time to Abolish ICE?
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Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
20 min
2 speakers
5 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlov, and it's Friday. So, Aaron Parnas, I have in my script Gen Z Sensation. How do you feel about that?
No, abort mission. Let's try it.
Oh, prolific sub-stacker.
There we go. We're back.
Aaron, how's your week been?
Um, long, long, chaotic, crazy, long.
Aren't we supposed to be able to like at the beginning of the year, like stop drinking and go to the gym? And I feel like I'm drinking. Actually, someone told me, oh, not just someone, my husband, sorry, a special someone was like someone, a friend of ours said, oh, you know, how has motherhood changed you? And he just from another room is like, she drinks more.
Yeah.
How has the Trump administration changed you? He drinks more.
Literally. My liver is suffering because of this man. All right. In today's episode, we're going to talk about how ICE could be reformed, whether rogue ICE agents will ever face accountability, and what this all means for Kristi Noem. Want to do some foreign policy, too, talking about the Iran crisis and whatever is going on with Greenland. And two weeks into his term, we'll check in on the Mamdani administration. So let's start with Minneapolis. The protests, I don't even want to say they're wildly out of control because that would imply that this is all the protesters' fault. The clashes have been dominating everyone's social media feeds and the news. Tons of tragedy. The Trump administration says the agent that killed Renee
Nicole Good acted in self-defense. He's blocked Minnesota's access to evidence and sent hundreds more federal officers into the city, which led to another shooting on Wednesday night. Local prosecutors say charges aren't impossible, but the legal and political barriers are very steep. You know, given the video evidence, which thankfully there is plenty of it, and I like that the folks in Minnesota are encouraging everyone to record everything that's going on, but how realistic is it, do you think, that ICE agents in these situations ever face charges?
Almost never. And I think actually, I don't know if you saw this, but in New York, Governor Hochul is actually pushing for legislation to allow citizens in ICE encounters to civilly sue ICE agents. Because even getting a civil lawsuit right now against an ICE agent that in one of these situations is very difficult given immunity related issues. They don't have absolute immunity, but they have qualified immunity. And I think that's another argument that a lot of legal experts have that, I mean, at this point, like, we need to take a look at the qualified immunity doctrine. We should have for a long time. And it's actually funny. Clarence Thomas himself, one of the most conservative justices on the Supreme Court, is not a fan of qualified immunity.
So I think that we may see some movement there. But getting charges against ICE agents right now, good luck.
Yeah, I actually didn't know that about Hochul, and that's good. I feel like she has had an incredible start to the year, and we'll talk about that a bit more in the Mom Donnie section. She, you know, she's like Gavin Newsom, challenge accepted. Like, let's go over here in New York.
President Hochul? I'm kidding.
I don't know. Maybe. No, but like...
You never know.
You never know. Donald Trump was reelected to a second term as president. So, no, you never know about these things. Going back to what you were saying about, you know, good luck getting actual charges against an ICE officer, I have been so disheartened to see the lack of interest of the federal government in working with local law enforcement, gathering evidence for those on the ground who actually... know what's going on there, and a lot of people who are even observers to this, and Brian O'Hara, the police chief in Minneapolis, has talked about this. He's like, our cops are there all the time because actually ICE is doing the jobs we're supposed to do. Like, ICE actually can't enforce traffic laws or do anything.
Like, they're literally there to pick up bad hombres, and then they're supposed to get out, but they're acting...
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–3:55
2
What happened in Minneapolis after Renée Nicole Good was shot and why did federal agents flood the city?
3:55–6:21
3
How likely is it that ICE agents or federal officers will face criminal charges for on‑duty shootings?
6:21–7:21
4
What legal and procedural barriers make prosecuting ICE agents so difficult?
7:21–10:09
5
What accountability reforms are being proposed—can states sue ICE or change immunity rules?
10:09–20:16
Speakers
2 identifiedMore from Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
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