Transition: Examining all the reasons that were frustrating about the Bulls' Arturas Karnisovas era
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Why are hosts upset about the Arturas Karnisovas era in the Bulls front office?
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Yeah, there's a lot that's upsetting about it. But what's your most top-of-the-list upsetting part?
I think that the proof that they were as dug in on bad ideas as we thought they were.
And it's the same amount of dug in as Michael Reinsdorf was on Arturus Carnitivus. It's funny how that rolls downhill sometimes.
Well, I mean, that's it. They had bosses. I always try to think about that part of it.
They had the support. They had the support. They're like, oh, no, whatever you guys think. Whatever you guys think.
I mean, just we're going to show you attitude when the league showed you. It's that part that I absolutely cannot reconcile.
Don't you think every problematic sports story that we end up dealing with in the end comes down to pig-headed people?
Anytime I can't understand a story, do you know what I'm undervaluing every single time?
male ego yeah like ego every single time stubbornness and arrogance and like inefficient communication that gets in the way because of those egos like it's always the same crap well but and the thing is you can still show you believe in someone of course you can by paying them their market value but you and i don't think he would have been offended You can show people that you believe in them and you can voice your opinion while also having a little human empathy and listening to other people, especially if you hired them, like not listening to coaches, man.
Well, and it's one thing for us to say they could have had Hallie, but to understand that there was a big groundswell in the building to get him. Unbelievable.
Hear that, Marshall? You could have had Hallie. She was on your list.
Oh, I had Tyrese Halliburton when I worked in Sacramento, and they drafted him. And then I left, and then they traded him away. That's not what I meant. That's what Layla meant. No, I know. You meant Hallie Berry.
I did.
You're back to the list.
I am.
She seems like a nice person, but I don't know how she helps my basketball team.
I'm going to go ahead and say that, too.
I laugh every time I run across the reel of Bernie Mac. And the episode of Bernie Mac where Wanda is dreaming about her funeral and that Bernie is there with Halle Berry.
What I'm gonna do, Lord!
Anyone who's ever been in a very serious relationship will tell you that their wife, girlfriend, fiance has had some dream where... Their man is with another woman, whether it's celebrity or otherwise, and they wake up mad, and you're like, well, what did I do?
And again, Kalita Smith is on a very top tier. But that scene is so funny because she wakes up and starts hitting him with the pillow, taking Halle Berry to my funeral. He wakes up and he goes, you was dreaming about Halle? And she's like, yes. And he's like, I was too.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
I love all of it.
I mean, they paid Gideon an extra $5 million just for the fun of it.
How did leadership and 'dug in' mindsets contribute to bad decisions under Karnisovas?
They sure did. An extra $20 million. An extra $5 million per year.
Well, and that's it. The market was not dictating that. You just wanted to be really happy with your decision and show everybody how much you could pay someone.
And also the fact that they openly shot for the middle. Which we saw in everything that they did. But they were doing it and everybody there knew that's what they were doing. And some people were like, why are we doing this? And it didn't matter.
But that doesn't mean you devalue your decisions to the point where you've decided that Alex Caruso wasn't worthy of first round pick.
But maybe you think an extra five mil will actually get me to the cap, the salary floor.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
Why are hosts upset about the Arturas Karnisovas era in the Bulls front office?
0:01–3:48
2
How did leadership and 'dug in' mindsets contribute to bad decisions under Karnisovas?
3:48–7:01
3
What role did ego and poor communication play in personnel choices and coaching hires?
7:01–12:55
4
Why do panelists criticize the Bulls' approach to salary and market value decisions?
12:55–19:05
5
How did the front office repeatedly double- or triple-down on failing strategies?
19:05–23:14
6
What mistakes did the Bulls make evaluating draft picks like Tyrese Halliburton and Patrick Williams?
23:14–23:31
Speakers
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