This Religious Con Man is Leaving America To Start His Own Country - The Gerald Payne Story
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Who is Gerald Payne and what is his background?
So this religious con man claims that he's gonna break off from the United States and start his own country. Now the con man's name is Gerald and Gerald is 57 when the story starts and he's living in Tampa, Florida and Gerald works as a painter by trade.
Here's the thing about Gerald though. He really, really loves money, and he quickly realizes that painting buildings isn't going to give him the kind of money he feels like he deserves. So one day around 1993, he gets an insane idea. What if he starts his own church? Then he'll have his church members donate money to the church, aka him. And so he gets a loan and he buys an old bank building and he starts his church there. And he calls it Greater Ministries International. And since the church is just starting out, Gerald needs to reach as many people as possible. So he starts traveling around, going on road shows across the U.S., preaching to people. And little by little, he builds himself a following, an audience who will listen to anything he says.
Now, starting a church and preaching to people isn't necessarily an illegal scam. But here's where the scam comes in. One day, he starts telling members of his congregation that his God woke him up in the middle of the night one night and gave him the idea to start a super special program. A program that would double everyone's money who was involved. and that his members can participate too. And all the members have to do is gift the church some of their money and they will receive double that money back in no more than 17 months. So I guess he's saying the Lord wants all of them to be rich. Now, during this time, banks are offering about 3% returns on investments. Even the stock market could average around 10% returns during this time.
So how is Gerald planning on getting 100% returns to his followers? Well, according to him, it's simple. He tells his church members that he owns gold and diamond mines in Liberia, and that he's gonna take their money and invest it in the mines, and that he won't lose their money because he's friends with the president of Liberia, and that everything will be safe and secure. And his church members are like, Sounds legit! Praise the Lord! And they start giving him their money. Now, of course, this is all a scam. Gerald doesn't own any mines in Liberia or anywhere else. Nor is he really investing any of their money. Instead of investing, he's using new investors' money to pay the old investors, making this whole thing one big Ponzi scheme.
Regardless, not surprisingly, this works. And since he's paying off the old investors with new money, they're actually getting paid and they think this investment scheme is legit. So they start talking to their friends and families about it. And now those friends and families, they want to invest and they start giving Gerald their money. And this snowballs. And soon more and more people start joining in. And of course, Gerald is making a ton of cash from this. But even so, he isn't satisfied. He wants to make more. So he starts urging people in his congregation to take out mortgages on their homes and max out their credit cards and even empty their retirement savings and give him the money. And the crazy thing is, people actually do this.
Why are they so gullible? And so as time goes on, his scheme keeps growing and growing. And Gerald, he has to come up with bigger and bigger lies. At one point, he claims he now owns over 100 gold mines and sitting on as much as $40 billion in underground reserves. He also claims that those mines are already paying off and that he's putting the profits to good use by buying the tallest building in Africa for $15 million or some bullsh**t. And his church members hear all this and they're like, damn, he's really out there investing our money. And so they just keep giving him more. Now here's where the story gets even crazier. Despite everything going his way, Gerald knows something very important. He can't just go to his congregation and talk about investing and making money all the time.
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