This Scammer Finally Got Caught - The Joe Caronna Story

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What motivated Joe Caronna to commit insurance fraud?

Ray William Johnson 0:00
So this guy wants a nice car collection really bad. And he wants one so bad that he's willing to do evil things to get it. Now, the guy's name is Joe, and Joe is 29 when all this starts, and he's living in Tennessee. Now, here's the thing about him. Joe loves cars, and he really wants his own car collection. But there's a problem. Joe works as a manager at a local shoe store, which means he doesn't get paid enough to buy himself a whole collection of cars. So one day in the 90s, Joe decides to change careers. and he becomes an insurance agent. Maybe this will be the job that will finally let him make enough money to buy whatever cars he wants. So he starts selling insurance, and he does okay at it, and he learns everything there is to know about the business.
Ray William Johnson 0:52
And then, around 1997, he opens his own insurance business. Nothing big, just, you know, helping other people set up their life insurance and annuities and stuff like that. Now, it doesn't take too long for Joe to realize that he's still not making enough money from all this to buy the car collection that he really wants. So I guess he decides that the only thing left to do is start scamming people. So when a client comes to him wanting to set up an annuity, he will take their money and instead of sending it to the insurance company like he's supposed to, he sends it straight into his own bank account. And then he'll lie to the client and tell them their whole annuity has been set up. And this works, and it works well.
Ray William Johnson 1:38
So he keeps doing it, with client after client after client, scamming them out of their funds. And over time, all this stolen money he's sending to his own account starts to add up. So he begins spending it on himself. And this dude is living the life. He's going out to expensive dinners. He's hitting up the casinos all the time. He's going on nice cruises. He's buying himself all kinds of expensive antiques. But most importantly, Joe is finally able to buy a bunch of cars and start building the car collection he's always wanted. And pretty quickly, he gets himself eight cars, including three Corvettes and some Hummers and some Porsches. Meanwhile, he continues to scam his clients through his insurance company.
Ray William Johnson 2:27
At one point, he turns the whole thing into sort of a Ponzi scheme. When his clients ask for their money back, Joe simply pays them using money from other clients. And so he just keeps all this going. And eight years go by. And it's now around 2008. And by this point, he's stolen around $780,000 from his clients. But it's around this time that things start to get complicated for him. Because Joe actually has a wife. This woman, Tina. And Tina has no idea that Joe's been scamming people all these years. She just thinks his insurance business is doing really well. So it's no surprise when she starts thinking that Joe could maybe use some of this money to buy them a new house. She's wanted one for a long time.
Ray William Johnson 3:20
I guess she just doesn't like where they're living. But, unfortunately, every time she brings it up to him, he shuts her down immediately. And he's like making up excuses, he's telling her that they can't get a new house, they have other things they need to spend the money on. But the thing is, Joe knows that they could get a new house if they wanted, he doesn't want to get a new house because he doesn't want to apply for a loan. He knows that applying for a loan would mean that they have to allow lenders to dig through their finances. And the second anyone digs through their finances, his entire insurance scheme will get exposed. And he's not about to let that happen. However, Tina doesn't want to give up on this idea.
Ray William Johnson 4:02
She's determined to get a new house. So she keeps pushing him. And that same year, 2008, she finally decides that she's done waiting. Whether Joe agrees or not, she's going to get a new house. Somehow. And that is where the story gets dark. See, Joe understands that Tina really wants a new house and that he can't get one without risking getting caught. And so he starts to panic.

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