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Real Kyper & Bourne

Getting to Know John Chayka + Flying to Round 2 with Keith Jones

30 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the current status of the Leafs' GM search?

12.907 - 31.455 Keith Jones

All right, let's get her going for the next two hours. The Real Kipper and Bourne Show. We are live on Sportsnet 360, Sportsnet 590, The Fan in Toronto, streaming always on Sportsnet+. If you miss our show, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, where we love the chats, love the thumbs up.

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32.87 - 45.362 Keith Jones

Kiprios, Justin Moore, and Sammy McKee, Derek Brandale, Frank the Tank, Baraska, and Sammy, try to keep your area neat over there. Keep her clean, boys.

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45.382 - 47.825 Sam McKee

Keep her clean. Who, me? Yeah, who me?

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48.065 - 50.708 Keith Jones

Oh, my God. Massive email.

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51.088 - 51.589 Sam McKee

I don't know.

51.629 - 53.39 Keith Jones

Today, because of you.

54.431 - 60.177 Sam McKee

Listen, I'm going to be nice here, but wouldn't throw stones from a glass house over there, brother.

60.713 - 65.398 Keith Jones

When I leave, I'm the last. You guys are shot out of a can when the show is over.

65.778 - 66.379 Sam McKee

That's not true.

Chapter 2: What insights does Steve Peters provide about John Chayka?

66.399 - 67.48 Keith Jones

Just a vapor.

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67.841 - 68.661 Sam McKee

That's not true.

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68.681 - 86.08 Keith Jones

I stay back. Yeah. And I ask Ailish, who takes over this seat. Ailish, how's it look? You happy? It's clean? Is there a wrapper? Is there a chocolate wrapper that Justin threw at me? Yeah. You're dusting for fingerprints over there, pal. Keep up the great work.

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86.06 - 91.987 Sam McKee

It's not like I found a lineup from three years ago in the desk. Yeah, maybe.

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92.648 - 101.099 Keith Jones

Just a couple. All right. Plenty of conversation to be had here, including our update on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

101.96 - 103.682 Unknown

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Chapter 3: How did John Chayka rise to the GM position in Arizona?

103.722 - 124.081 Keith Jones

Which is... Chico Watch. It's all quiet. What is going on? It is a Chico watch. Is it not? There's, like, really no one else. If there is, it might be one of the best-kept secrets in Leaf history.

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124.322 - 137.779 Unknown

I kind of like the idea of there being some, like... Mystery? Well, sure. Like, you know, Scott White hasn't been told he's out of it yet. Like, Mike Gillis just kind of faded into the background like Homer into the bushes. Like, is he still... Where is he around?

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But yeah, no, it's everyone you talk to is like, nope, it's those two guys.

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Chapter 4: What challenges did Chayka face during his tenure with the Coyotes?

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They're working on contracts. That's what's happening. So, I mean, do you have any new thoughts? Has anything changed for you?

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152.46 - 156.367 Sam McKee

I got a question. Sure. Have you heard a good story about him yet?

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159.373 - 165.901 Unknown

Well... It's not that I haven't heard any good stories so much.

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166.802 - 172.588 Keith Jones

Okay. You're talking about John Chayka, and if there's anything positive.

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172.608 - 179.614 Unknown

One positive thing. Did some of those deferred contracts, which was creative and thoughtful. Okay.

179.834 - 189.583 Keith Jones

In about 10 minutes, we're going to have Steve Peters, who works at ESPN and has got his show called Inside the Coach's Room.

189.623 - 190.384 Unknown

Mm-hmm.

190.364 - 193.608 Keith Jones

And he might have some insight because he did work with John Chayka.

193.929 - 203.821 Unknown

Yeah. Correct? Yeah, yeah. He was with the Coyotes for 25 years almost. And so he was there before and after Chayka. So he'll have seen the whole arc from his opening pitch to when he was over.

Chapter 5: What does Keith Jones think about the Flyers' young team's future?

220.048 - 221.052 Unknown

Guys just trying to find stuff out.

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221.072 - 226.428 Keith Jones

People trying to find stuff out. What else is out there on the likes of John? I mean.

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226.729 - 227.391 Steve Peters

Yeah.

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227.523 - 241.166 Keith Jones

Matz, not so much. We know Matz. Everybody knows Matz. It's been well-documented. He launched his book last year, picked that up, and get to know him even more. Czajka's still a bit of a mystery, though.

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241.346 - 256.364 Unknown

Yeah, the thing that's changed the most, maybe, is a better understanding of Ty Domi's involvement. Which, you know, and I can't even pin down how much that is, but it does sound like he has been a part of the selection process, and we know he has strong ties to Sundin and Chyka.

256.644 - 259.308 Sam McKee

And it popped up yesterday in another athletic story. And Keith Pelley, too.

Chapter 6: How has Rick Tocchet impacted the Flyers' performance?

259.348 - 260.349 Unknown

And Keith Pelley, too, right?

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260.369 - 274.067 Sam McKee

Yeah, and it popped up yesterday in another athletic story with the connections between Max and Chyka and all that different stuff that came out. So, you know, you start... There's some dots that you start to connect. So Chyka worked with Max...

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274.587 - 285.648 Keith Jones

In junior? Yeah, I think there was a connection there. Okay. Yep. Well, Chayka originally was University Western, right?

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285.668 - 285.769 Unknown

Yeah.

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286.43 - 293.904 Keith Jones

Which was by London. Right. So I do believe that there's a history there between Chayka and Max.

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Okay.

295.327 - 312.164 Unknown

Yeah, I mean, everyone I've talked to, Sam's point, you talk to people about this, and the biggest thing is I guess people just don't really know what to think because he hasn't been in the league in a while, and the first tenure was under such weird conditions, right? Like the Arizona Coyotes were weird. What?

313.425 - 325.774 Keith Jones

Just out to left field a little bit. I just remembered, I just remembered... Keith Pelley hiring Ty for TSN when he retired.

Chapter 7: What are the expectations for Matvei Michkov's development?

325.794 - 327.236 Keith Jones

Oh, okay. Yeah.

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327.336 - 328.217 Unknown

Okay. Okay.

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328.858 - 348.806 Keith Jones

And I'm not sure if I got this story straight. Okay. And I'm sure if I see Ty next time, or maybe even Keith, they'll straighten me out. But I think the story goes that Max, or Ty, on his first night of being an analyst for TSN, did the opening game.

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350.103 - 359.168 Keith Jones

And then after the game was over, around 10 o'clock, 10.30, he's leaving. They're like, where are you going? It's a doubleheader. We got another game. He goes, not for me.

361.612 - 382.945 Unknown

bye-bye yeah it's funny oh my god that's funny those super coveted gigs that like you know that i would love to have myself one day those guys grind man you know you see and those guys like they're late it's late it's two months straight

Chapter 8: What lessons can be learned from Chayka's experience for the Leafs?

382.925 - 385.449 Keith Jones

Double overtime last night in Vegas.

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385.869 - 391.076 Sam McKee

Yeah, I saw our boy Tim McAuliffe uploading an Instagram story. It was like 3.50 a.m.

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391.096 - 397.085 Unknown

I ran into Ken Reed yesterday, and I was like, yeah, watching tonight, what you into? And he was like, rooting for regulation, pal.

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397.846 - 423.457 Keith Jones

And then I woke up and saw that one went to 2.00. Then you got, I had Hockey Central at noon. Oh, yeah. Coming off doubleheaders. Oh, yeah. So you were right. Doubleheaders and double overtimes. Yeah. Fun stuff. The busy life. Anyways, yeah, so we'll talk to Steve Peters. Also, Keith Jones will join us later on. Another former player turned president.

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424.018 - 429.908 Keith Jones

So maybe he's got some insight on what potentially Matt Sundin could be looking at.

429.888 - 433.993 Unknown

Well, and same with our guest in the 5 o'clock hour, Kevin Lowe.

434.393 - 454.953 Sam McKee

So can I ask you just on the Sundin thing? Because I don't know if it's true or not, but we've seen a lot of connections between people. I think Merrick brought up Mike Johnson as a possibility. Guy works for TSN, clearly does all the regionals on there. And somebody DMed me and said that him and Matz are very tight. Is that true? You know? They were line mates. Okay.

455.113 - 457.037 Sam McKee

Well, I just said that they might be friends.

457.057 - 462.948 Keith Jones

Yeah, we were all together. I mean, for me, very short period of time. Mike Johnson spent a lot more time with Matt.

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