Chapter 1: What happened in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Final?
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Chapter 2: What is Claude Lemieux's legacy in hockey?
Conference final around the National Hockey League. But first, our condolences to... Claude Lemieux's family, four-time Stanley Cup champion, gone at age 60. It was announced today. Sad news that we lost... playoff hero for many, including, of course, Colorado, Montreal, most recently seen Game 3, carrying out the ceremonial torch, which we all love.
It's been so amazing to watch throughout these Stanley Cup playoffs and just a sad way to start our show, JB.
It is. Our thoughts are with the friends and family, obviously. It's tragic news and wishing everyone the best at a tough time.
Yeah.
Conspire Trophy winner in 95. Just an all-time playoff legend.
And a very controversial one at that. Probably the biggest one was 1996 with the Western Conference Final between Colorado and Detroit where a big hit on Chris Draper. He was a competitor. Wow, he was. Renaud Lavoie will join us, hockey reporter for TVA Sports, NHL Network. I'm sure he'll have a few thoughts on Lemieux as well.
And then Glenn Wesley, former NHL defenseman, Stanley Cup champion, of course, talking a little Carolina Hurricanes. Who, JB, are just one game away from getting over that conference final hump that a lot of these guys have eluded them in the recent history. Of course, they have already been there before Stanley Cup final, but that has to go back to Rod Brindamore lifting the Stanley Cup. But...
How surprised are you that Montreal, for the second consecutive game at the Bell Centre, couldn't muster as much energy than the city or the fans did to start these last two games?
Yeah, it's surprising that in Montreal they've had as much trouble as they have in the postseason. You know, it's funny, right? Like, I picked Carolina in five in this series, but I didn't think it would be quite belt-to-bum-bum like it is right now.
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Chapter 3: How has Rod Brind'Amour impacted the Hurricanes' success?
It's as one-sided a series as we've seen in a long time, and statistically that bears out in a number of ways, particularly shots and shot attempts the whole game. is in Montreal's end. Elliott was on camera before the game or at intermission. He talked about a comment that one of their guys said dragged them into the deep end.
You know, basically, you got them so tired, you just see how long they can tread water for. And that's what it looks like to me, that Montreal just can't swim.
I think there's a lot of ways you could break this series down and you could, you know, get into the minutia of it. We will. But to me, this looks like a rested veteran hungry team versus a dog tired young team. That's magic. It's kind of running out.
Chapter 4: What strategies are the Hurricanes using to dominate their opponents?
Like, I mean, I think you've seen this over the years plenty of times where a team gets through the first two rounds, has some great overtime winners, all this stuff, and then they run into the first really great team that they're going to play, and they just kind of go quietly. And that's what's happening. It sucks for Montreal because they lose every game at home.
With the exception of Dobish. He's the only guy that doesn't look like he's running out of gas. And he can't, he can't keep it close. And we're sitting there going, he was pretty good again last night. And the game's not even close.
Yeah, no, that's a great point. You know, the one thing that stands out to me is Valley did say that Carolina is the way they play can make goalies look good, right? They shoot everything. They fire, fire, fire. But at the same time, I don't think we've seen it to this degree. And Dobish, when he said after the seventh game around two, I could play 40 of these.
He doesn't look silly for saying that. He has held up his end of the bargain to me. But he's just doing what he can. He's fighting in there. He's like Denis Lemieux in Slapshot.
Yeah, you really got to give the guy credit. But it's just when you saw that there was no Florida coming out of the Atlantic this year, You kind of... We've kind of been saying that this had to be the Canes kind of time. Yeah. And you got to give them credit too, boys.
Like, they are just... They are a well-oiled machine. Against Tampa Bay and Buffalo, you watch Montreal and you're like, can't slow them down. Mm-hmm. And... Carolina is completely shut down. Any type of speed through the neutral zone, they cannot generate a thing through the neutral zone. Is that just Brendamore, Slavin, Chatfield, Walker, and Keondra Miller?
No, I'm telling you, Keondra Miller, where have you been, my friend? Where have you been in your career that you can look like that?
He's out of this world. You think it's the structure around helping him or experience piled up and he's getting older? No, it's him.
It's just him and his decision to take whatever God-given talent he's had and put it in with a work ethic and put it in with a focus and just... announced to the world, this is my time. He played 25 minutes. Slavin, I don't even think, played 21.
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Chapter 5: What are the reasons behind Montreal's struggles in the playoffs?
Not to get into great detail, but can you just share with them quickly what happened to you?
So it's quite simple. I was training at the Bell Center. I felt really, really bad at one point. Something popped on my right side. I couldn't see well with my right eye. It was like in my right eye, my vision was, there was some pixel in my vision. I went to a quiet room. I knew that I needed an aspirin as soon as possible to help me.
I wasn't sure if I was having a stroke or a heart attack and the Canes training staff helped me. I called Chantal Macabay, who was the head of the PR group, and she helped me right away, set me up with, you know, all the staff that was there to help me. They sent me to the Montreal General Hospital. I had another stroke in the car. I wasn't driving, obviously.
And they took care of me at the General Hospital. And after that, the Neurology Institute of Montreal, one of the best in North America. And... So after two days, I was out of the hospital. I'm in great shape today. Just received today the green light to start working full time.
Yes.
It's a good day, right? It's a great day.
We're so happy to see you, man. It is scary stuff. And as Kip said, just echo the sentiments, buddy. We're happy to have you.
Thanks. Thank you. Thank you very much.
From good news to very sad news and disappointing news, the loss of Claude Lemieux and, you know, a brilliant career that included, you know, many Stanley Cups, a Conn Smythe, but, you know, pertaining to the Montreal Canadiens, he was a draft pick of Montreal, came up through the system, played in the American Hockey League at Sherbrooke, had
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Chapter 6: How did Glen Wesley view the current state of the Hurricanes?
I didn't know Claude Lemieux as a personal anything. And he says, let me see that ring. And then he looks at my ring and then he looks at Tom Chorsky and says, hey, look at the ring we gave them.
that's called in a nutshell right yeah that's it that's it that's all that you don't have to say much no um he and he was he loved to compete he loved to compete and he was an agent but you know what one thing about him and i was talking to colleagues uh from other network obviously today Have you ever heard Claude Lemieux's story as an agent?
Like a story that he upset a GM or someone was upset with him or a player that didn't really like him as an agent and never heard something bad about him after his career. And he was a great man, a great example of what needs to be done sometimes to play in the league for a long time. And I think... Paul Lemieux was the DNA of, you know, a guy who tried everything to stay in the league.
And not only to stay in the league, but to be a guy that's going to be under your skin and he's going to find a way to beat you. That's Paul Lemieux.
Ran well said. We'll take it to the ice now. Obviously, Montreal Canadiens, backs against the wall, down 3-1 in this series. You know, I guess I'd just like to throw it to you for almost like an overview of how we got here and if there's a chance for Montreal going forward.
You know, there's always a chance. Obviously, we're getting late in the process here. Okay. I feel like this is a team with a lot of players that are injured. But at one point, the mental aspect of the game needs to take another step. I understand the injuries. I understand the problematics of being tired.
But if I go back to my memory lane, 2021, game four at the Bell Center, the Maple Leafs are playing the Canadians. It's the exact same day the next day.
it's over we need to pack our things they're going to fire everyone back then mark bergevin is going to be fired all the coaching staff is gone obviously it's not the same thing that's going to happen if the canyons lose tomorrow no no one will be fired but no one is giving the montreal kings a chance so why today is an important day it's an important day because the leadership group needs to take charge they need to have a big meeting today in raleigh
to look at each other and say, you know what? We understand we're not physically at the right place, but we need to find a way. We're still alive. In 2021, a miracle happened, and the Canians were able to beat, you know, the Maple Leafs in seven. Can the Canians do the same against a veteran team? I know. If you look at the mountain, it's a huge one. It's an impossible story.
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Chapter 7: What insights did Renaud Lavoie share about the Canadiens' future?
And today on the sports radio here in Montreal, obviously there was a lot of people saying, well, why did they win game seven against the Sabres? Like, why? There's a reason why. They wanted to show people wrong again. And that's part of their DNA since a year and a half now. Like Mike Madison mentioned to us last night after the game. So the reality is...
Yes, perception could be, you know, different if they lose tomorrow night. But at the end of the day, Kepa, you need to look at the forest. The forest is telling you right now that this is a young team, okay, that youngest in the NHL. They're capable of great things in the next few years. But at the same time, They need to tweak some things here and there.
No disrespect to anyone, but that fourth line right now or wherever you want to call the fourth line, it's not a fourth line that can bring you to the Stanley Cup. That's my belief. I hope I'm wrong, okay? But you need to understand that in... the playoffs. You need the A.J. Greer of this world. You need a fourth line that's the smallest player is six foot two and 215 pounds.
That's your smallest. You need speed on the fourth line. You need to ground and pound the other D's. That's not what they're doing right now.
That's Carolina's fourth line.
Yeah, exactly. That's what they're doing. That's what they're doing. They took a page of what the Panthers were doing in the last few years, and they said we're capable of doing exactly the same thing, even better probably. That's what I'm looking at right now. But at the end of the day, the game needs to be played on the ice.
And tomorrow there's another game, so let's see what's going to happen. Never count Martin Saint-Louis. Don't bet against Martin Saint-Louis. The minute you're doing that, you're going to hurt yourself. I've learned that a long time ago. I'm not betting against Martin Saint-Louis anymore. These people can find ways.
They're going to go through different scenarios to help the team being better, but I believe that they can find another gear. Even if it's easy to say, And you look at it and you're like, how? It looks impossible. Believe me, they have another gear.
One thing we know with young, talented teams like this is that the best is yet to come for a lot of the guys on this team. This is kind of like their... This is their second foray into the postseason, but it feels like their first real contender year. How have you felt about the guys who are going to have to make the difference, being Suzuki, Safkovsky, Demidov, Hudson?
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of Canada's win over Team USA at the World Championships?
You can look at it and say, we need more, right? But at the same time, I can look at management and say, they need more. Not the management, but the players. You need that second line settlement, okay? It worked out with Oliver Kapanen and Ivan Demidov, and it's a great story. But at the end of the day, Kapanen is not playing right now. He's a healthy scratch.
So you need to look at it as a problem, and you need to take care of that problem and find a solution. I really believe that Kent Hughes was really close to get that centerman back. at the trading deadline. But there's still some work to be done here. And if it doesn't happen, probably, Kipper... people are going to be more upset by this than anything else if it doesn't happen during the summer.
So we'll see how things are going to evolve. But they need more physicality. They need more physical players, bigger players, and they need that second-line sentiment as soon as possible. It's not going to happen for tomorrow's game, that's for sure. But now they're patching things. And the minute you get that second-line sentiment, maybe life of...
of Nick Suzuki and Cole Caulfield and Joran Slavkoski will be a little easier because it's really tough for them. When the best players on the other team just have really one assignment and it's to stop these three players, it's not really complicated, believe me.
Great stuff, Renaud. So happy to see you. Looking great, healthy. Enjoy tomorrow night one way or the other. Hopefully Montreal can still make it a series here because that's what we want. We want that drama. Thanks for doing this, pal.
Enjoy the rest of the day, and thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure to talk to you.
Thanks, Ren. You too, bud. One of the good guys. Brent Lavoie.
Great to see him. TVA Sports. Yeah, I love that chat. It was just great Lemieux memories and reminiscing and happy about his health. And he's like, and the 2021 Leafs. I'm like, no. It's a reminder of the time the Leafs gagged away the 3-1 series lead to the Habs.
No, Ren. Yeah, you know, we've talked about how great the Montreal Canadiens, the build, the future. No one's going to ever take that away from them if they lose tomorrow night. But you don't want it to end like this because ā and I'll bring up the Toronto Maple Leafs, Sammy, because once you go down a path of planting the seed that these guys ā
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