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Real Kyper & Bourne

Leafs Front Office Hypotheticals + Mike Kelly in Montreal

01 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What happened with the Toronto Maple Leafs' GM interview request?

5.33 - 30.281 Justin Bourne

Welcome in to Real Kipper and Born. I am not Nick Kiprios. I am Justin Bourne. And I am joined today by Sam McKee, who's joining me as co-host with no kipper today, Sammy. Hey, buddy. Yeah, sitting in a different seat. I don't like it. No. It's amazing how the difference between, I don't know, 10 feet? Yeah. Might as well be on a different planet. Feels totally different. Yes.

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30.882 - 40.399 Justin Bourne

We got our technical directors, Frank Baraska and Derek Brandeo. We are live on Sportsnet 360, Sportsnet 590, The Fan in Toronto, and streaming always on Sportsnet+.

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Chapter 2: How does Tie Domi influence the Leafs' front office decisions?

40.379 - 62.495 Justin Bourne

If you miss our show live, you can always get it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Here's where Kip says some weird things about begging for thumbs up. Yeah, begging for thumbs up. Thumbs up on the YouTube. Thumbs up, thumbs up, thumbs up. Yeah, and just checking the quick YouTube chat to see how people are reacting to Kipper not being here and me sitting there. Kipper got fired.

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62.615 - 69.626 Justin Bourne

Is Kipper stuck on the DVP? Wow, the B team. Sammy looks tired over there. Oh, no, tiny.

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69.726 - 70.087 Sam McKee

Tiny.

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70.307 - 73.712 Justin Bourne

I look tiny. Sam is 6'6". Yeah.

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Chapter 3: What led to the Oilers' playoff elimination against the Ducks?

73.953 - 89.997 Justin Bourne

There's a lot of man over there. It's funny. When I go out in public and people see me and they say hello to me or whatever, the number one thing people say to me is, wow, you're a lot taller than I thought. Yeah. Best thing to hear. Yeah. There's nothing that makes me happier than when they're like, oh, you're a lot taller than I thought. I get that, too.

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90.077 - 108.575 Justin Bourne

I think when people see Kipper and I in person and I'm a couple inches taller than Kipper, people are like, oh, we just assumed that that was not the case. A lot of speculation in the chat as well. Kipper potentially GM interview, which interesting timing for sure. You know, now that you bring it up. Not out of the question. I think he's doing the Baycrest today.

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109.376 - 111.399 Justin Bourne

Like, we used to do it a little bit here, too.

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Chapter 4: What insights does Mike Kelly provide about the Canadiens vs. Lightning series?

111.679 - 120.35 Justin Bourne

And I saw his name on a draft board in Terry Ryan's Instagram story. So, not getting interviewed. Is it Hockey Helps the Homeless? Is that the event? It's one of those.

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120.37 - 120.63 Sam McKee

Baycrest.

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120.67 - 136.749 Justin Bourne

I apologize if it's not. It's, I think, for Alzheimer's. Baycrest Alzheimer's. I think that's what it was. Anyway, it's one of those sort of draft the celebrity things. Yeah. Celebrity. So no Nick Kiprios today. You got McKee and I for Off the Rails Friday, which immediately kind of thrusts it off the rails as is.

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Chapter 5: How can analytics improve the Leafs' decision-making process?

137.93 - 163.036 Justin Bourne

You know, this has been a week where we've been opening up the shows and just being like, so any thoughts on developing Leaf stuff? And there really hasn't been much of anything. No. It's been like whittling it down from a candidate list of five or six to two or three. And we're stuck in the same two or three. Yeah. And just kind of waiting. So I think there was an interesting development today.

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163.056 - 188.452 Justin Bourne

32 thoughts, right? That Friedman said that they asked Lightning's GM, Julian Briseois, asked for permission. No. Not allowed. The answer was no. But I found that interesting that they're willing to ask who I think, by all accounts, will be looked upon as one of the best general managers in the league, despite the recent lack of success in the playoffs.

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Chapter 6: What are the implications of hiring John Chayka as GM?

188.472 - 210.056 Justin Bourne

I think everybody kind of looks at them as one of the better franchises, one of the best run. But why they would be willing to talk to him, Borny, since he's under contract, but not Doug Armstrong. Yeah. What is it... With Doug Armstrong. Yeah. That is the question that I came out of this, looking at this sheet, seeing that Maple Leafs denied permission to interview Lightning Briseois.

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210.076 - 230.812 Justin Bourne

Why didn't they ask another guy who was under contract, but like seemingly less under contract? There must have just been something about Armstrong that they don't love. Can I tell you my most cynical take on this? Yes. Which is that... Please do. They knew they weren't getting Briseois, but they had to have it out there that they asked. Huh? You know?

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Chapter 7: What were the key factors in the Oilers' disappointing season?

231.273 - 249.227 Justin Bourne

But it's like there was never any chance that Breezeball was going to be like, would I like to go to a division rival who's worse than my current team and in a worse spot? Yeah, like with way less prospects and probably way less picks. Twice the scrutiny. Like, absolutely not. You changed my title. I don't want to do that. So I think...

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249.207 - 267.43 Justin Bourne

There's a lot of people going into this saying, you have to at least ask these guys. Ask the big names, whatever. And now they get to go. We asked. I think the risk if you asked Doug Armstrong is he might have said yes. And they just didn't want to do that. I just think that there is a dollar amount that that would cost.

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267.93 - 273.477 Justin Bourne

And I think you'd have to give them a whole heap of responsibility that maybe they aren't willing to give up.

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Chapter 8: What potential trades could shape the future for the Leafs?

273.777 - 289.56 Justin Bourne

Yeah, okay. I don't know. Maybe he kicked one of their dogs once upon a time. I don't know. Just my whole adult life watching the Toronto Maple Leafs and following this and being in the middle of it. The next guy would just be Doug Armstrong. Yeah. It's just Doug Armstrong. He's the guy.

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289.58 - 306.965 Justin Bourne

It's been rumored already, like, for four years, they've been like, oh, maybe Doug Armstrong when the least jobs comes available. And finally, when he's kind of passing on the responsibility to Alex Steen and seemingly taking more of a step upstairs, that it's just the natural move for a big hockeyman that's got a huge name just moves into it and they didn't even ask. It's just weird to me.

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307.185 - 323.702 Justin Bourne

So what is... The talk, you got your shared group chats, your hockey team, whatever. You know, when I, when I run into people in my world, the most common thing is just like right now it's kind of Ty Domi stuff. Yeah. You know, like, Hey, what's the deal?

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323.762 - 335.593 Justin Bourne

Like on the team, the interview we did yesterday with Steve Peters, which spectacular stuff and still holds up today and will forever until they hire Chica just in terms of information about him.

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335.877 - 356.566 Justin Bourne

I think what I took away from that and listening to him talk, and, you know, I read that story in The Athletic and it was there too, but how maybe involved Ty Domi is in this situation I think was more of a development of it. And I think there's just a lot of people being like, why is that the case? And I think, like, listen, Ty Domi, Again, part of one of my favorite era of Tonome Police.

357.007 - 373.787 Justin Bourne

Love Ty Domi. You go down to the arena, probably outside of, like, a lot of the big stars, the number one jersey you're going to see is Ty Domi. Like, he's got a huge presence in the city. Kipper's buddies with him. I understand all that. But I just, I don't know how he was thrust in this position. Win, lose, or tie, I guess, what Jens was texting us yesterday. But I think that's a big one.

373.867 - 395.169 Justin Bourne

And I just think, like we've talked about all week, the skepticism with Chayka, man. I just, it's going to be, he's starting... behind an eight ball for me. And I don't know how he's going to get past it early. The Ty Domi stuff, it does feel like... I almost, like, let's say it was like, hey, it's going to be Ty for president or something like that. Yeah.

395.189 - 411.93 Justin Bourne

I think I'd be like, well, that's a guy who's been here every day. He feels like he's in the crowd every time there's a game and he's aware of the happenings of the team. Like, it would probably be easier for Ty to step in and do the job that Matz is supposedly going to be doing. Agree. So he definitely is in touch with what's happening here.

412.41 - 416.155 Justin Bourne

But I just, I don't, listen, I don't love all the connections.

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