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Real Kyper & Bourne

Pre-Draft Prep with Sam Cosentino

07 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the Maple Leafs' options with the first overall pick?

12.653 - 38.93 Kipper

Welcome into Real Kipper and Born, the national hour. We are live on Sportsnet, Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, Sportsnet 960 in Calgary, and streaming always on Sportsnet+. If you miss our show live, you can always get it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. This hour of Real Kipper and Born is brought to you by Bet365. And sitting beside me... Yet again, today is my man, Sammy McKee. Hello.

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39.171 - 56.345 Sammy

Sammy, what's going on, man? Nothing, bud. I was just looking at my lineup that I typed. Marginal, as always. But I put in here, and we're going to talk about the Habs. But I forgot about this. I put this in here. Deline, Makar, and Wierenski named the three finalists for the Norris Trophy.

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Chapter 2: Why should the Canucks be happy with the third overall selection?

56.585 - 78.606 Sammy

Right. Do you have any? I mean, I haven't Bouchard as a Norris finalist. I'm sorry. Which guy are you taking out there? I'm taking Darlene out. I am. Yeah. We all like, you know, it's not a points thing or whatever, but like Carlson won it because he had 120 points. What did Bouchard have this year? 95 points, almost 100 points. So many. I'm trying to pull up. I know Darlene's amazing.

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78.706 - 80.089 Sammy

Darlene's fantastic.

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Chapter 3: What do NHL scouts look for in prospects from a character perspective?

80.069 - 95.428 Sammy

But, like, they always reward guys that have high point totals. And just because, what's the reason Bouchard isn't a finalist? Because he had a couple gaffes to start the year on the East Coast trip? I can't believe he's not a finalist. He's an elite defenseman. He had 95 points. He almost had 100 points.

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95.628 - 108.304 Kipper

He's not even a finalist? Do you have the D scoring in front of you? What was Darlene at the end of the day? You know, I think a lot of people view it, they're making an effort to say this is not a... But it always has been.

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108.284 - 116.27 Sammy

Yeah, but that doesn't make it right, does it? Well, I mean, when there's just been something that you've done for a long time... Yeah. I don't know. I just... I saw that.

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Chapter 4: How does the class of defencemen compare at the top of the draft?

116.37 - 138.058 Sammy

I'm not sure... I'm not trying to, you know, to pander to my... my Edmontonian people, but I just can't believe that he's not a finalist. I think it's a very valid concern. Evan Bouchard had 95. He had 21 goals and 74 assists. He was a plus 25 on the season. Rasmus Dahlien had 74 points. Fantastic season.

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138.219 - 138.78 Kipper

Yeah.

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138.76 - 141.625 Sammy

But, like, he was 20 points behind him.

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141.745 - 141.985 Kipper

Yeah.

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142.326 - 153.043 Sammy

And I know Edmonton – I understand it's a hard argument to make now that the Sabres are past. Like, they're playing now. And I know it's a regular season thing. I understand that this maybe comes off wrong now.

Chapter 5: What factors contribute to a successful NHL draft strategy?

153.644 - 159.934 Sammy

But Evan Bouchard was unbelievable all season long and was one of the big reasons they won any games that they did.

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160.335 - 176.339 Kipper

I'm stunned by it. I was kind of pulling my hair out over the Celebrini stuff because people were like – You know, he's won the Hart Trophy. He's 19 years old, which, by the way, is irrelevant. Yeah. The Hart Trophy. And they're going, yeah, but he's on the Sharks and whatever. He was 25 points behind McDavid.

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176.84 - 190.401 Sammy

He'd need to have a great half a season for most guys to get there. And listen, I love Zach Rowenski. I think he's deserving. I think Kale McCart is deserving. I think he could make a conversation, obviously, for Quinn Hughes. But the leading scoring defenseman in the league.

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Chapter 6: How did the Sabres perform in their playoff series against the Canadiens?

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191.242 - 213.924 Sammy

not being nominated for the Norris is insane to me. Yeah. It's always, like, we've had the conversation how many times where you say, why don't you have the award for the best defensive defenseman? Because all it is for the Norris is the highest scoring guy every year. And a guy has 95 points. He's 14 points ahead of Zacharensky. Yeah. And he plays all 82 games.

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214.505 - 225.707 Kipper

And it's not nominated. It's funny how reputation... It's just tough to overcome. People think that he's this, like, giant defensive liability or something, which is just not the case.

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225.727 - 229.996 Sammy

But, like, I forget who it had. I think it was Brownie that we had on that he talked about the first.

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Chapter 7: What insights can be gained from the Ducks' series against the Golden Knights?

230.016 - 246.263 Sammy

Or no, who it was. It was Losey that we had on. And he had that start at the start of the year. We had the East Coast road trip. We had that brutal turnover against, I think, your Islanders. Yeah. I just, I'm stunned by it. I'm stunned by it. Yeah, that's shocker. Did you vote?

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246.283 - 250.368 Kipper

I can tell you, I'm not allowed to tell you he is high on my Norris belt.

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250.388 - 251.889 Sammy

Yes, as he should be.

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253.371 - 260.579 Kipper

All right. We are now, we get someone else to weigh in on this. We got Sportsnet's NHL analyst, Sam Cosentino-Cosi.

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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the current NHL playoff landscape?

260.6 - 261.42 Kipper

What's up? Hey, bud.

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262.662 - 265.685 Justin Bourne

Hey, guys. How you doing over there? Good, good. Doing really well.

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265.725 - 269.73 Kipper

Did you have Evan Bouchard on your, did you have a ballot? Did you vote?

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271.043 - 273.466 Justin Bourne

No, I don't make the cut for that. That's all you, Borny.

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273.526 - 276.971 Kipper

You don't make the cut. You'd have had Bouchard, I'm sure, near the top of the list.

278.092 - 279.193 Justin Bourne

He'd be one of the three.

279.294 - 292.09 Sammy

Yeah. How is he not one of the three? Like, you can make the argument to me that he doesn't deserve to win. Sure, whatever. But being 14 points ahead of the next closest defenseman leading the league and not be nominated for the Norris, it's always a points thing, Sammy. Always.

292.35 - 297.557 Justin Bourne

Yeah. I agree with you. Like, look at when Carlson, he was allergic to his goalie when he won it.

299.005 - 300.388 Sammy

He was never in the defensive zone.

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