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Vally's View: Starting Ingram Over Jarry in Game 5

28 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: Who was John Garrett and why is he being remembered?

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It's the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. It is our national hour. We are live on Sportsnet. Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver. 960 in Calgary. Streaming always on Sportsnet+. If you can't catch us live, give us a download on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Where the chats are strong as always. And love it when you give us a thumbs up as well.

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Before we get into Steve Aliquette on our regularly scheduled Tuesday, just the saddest of news, especially around here where our colleague, John Garrett, passed away suddenly yesterday. It's really news that not only is shaking us here at Sportsnet, but all around the hockey world. John was... A wonderful person, a colleague here that I started with Sportsnet in the late 90s.

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He actually started a lot earlier as a broadcaster on Hockey Night in Canada. But on many nights working right beside him, alongside Darren Drager, Scott Morrison, and We just had the best time. And knowing that John, who of course made and built a wonderful life in Vancouver, would fly over and spend weeks and months on end covering the playoffs because we didn't have the national rights.

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We'd watch games all night, sometimes not go live until like 11 or 11.30. And we'd just hang out and watch games with him. And I loved it because... He was a really smart guy, understood not only the goaltending position, but understood the game in general and how it looked in front of him. And maybe that's just another reason why the goalies are so good at broadcasting.

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And we've got one coming up in Steve Allicat momentarily. But he was... He was a student of the game as well. And I just loved and I learned so much. He was like a mentor to many of us at Sportsnet where you just couldn't get enough of him, including his infectious personality. He was a funny guy. There wasn't too many times when he didn't come in with just a –

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An attitude at the end of the day is just a silly kid's game.

173.755 - 197.978 Justin Bourne

Yeah. Well, to me, that describes him very well. He struck the perfect tone between educating fans, taking it seriously, but also it is just a hockey game, and he's light and funny and just really became a familiar voice, certainly of my own childhood and all that, and I know everyone who worked with him loved him dearly. Yeah, I mean, just some of the calls that are popping up on my –

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news feed today and just some of the memories. He's just a legitimately hilarious guy. Everybody that you ever hear talk about him just loves the guy.

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A little quirky too, right? He still had that goaltender quirkiness. What goalie have you ever met that doesn't have that? He could eat without a fork.

Chapter 2: What does Steve Valiquette think about Ottawa Senators' goaltending situation?

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Myself, Bobby Torrance who produced us. Oh, my God, we just had so many laughs along the way.

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Let's play this clip here we've got.

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Yeah, we've got John Shorthouse put together something that I think was... It worked around him retiring from Vancouver's regional broadcast. Of course, he was still doing great things with us, including the Utah series with Vegas, where he sounded as good as he has for 40 years. And in short, he did a wonderful piece that we thought was real appropriate to play again. Let's have a listen.

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His days with the Canucks date back 40 years, but for the last 20, my friend and broadcast partner, John Garrett, has been the voice and the brain who brings insight amid chaos, who strikes a perfect balance of seriousness and fun, and whose passion for the game is rivaled only by his respect for those who play it.

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His ability to communicate and to educate is nothing short of brilliant, and his team-first attitude is second to none, whether applied to the Canucks he covers or the broadcast team he captains. Cheech greets every situation with a smile and always has time for an autograph, a selfie, a joke, or a story. He's the everyman who eats what he likes and nothing else.

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He doesn't have time for a bad mood, and he never puts himself above anyone at any moment. In his distinguished career, Cheech has worked with 40 different play-by-play broadcasters, and I feel so fortunate and proud to have spent the last 15 years partnered with my great friend Dan Murphy and the guy we like to call our other dad. Thank you, Cheech, from all of us.

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It won't be the same without you.

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Yeah, condolences to Shorty, Dan Murphy, who they spent a long time together, his wife Sharon, daughter Sarah, and the rest of the family, friends, our deepest condolences from our show.

350.248 - 350.629 Justin Bourne

Well said.

Chapter 3: How did Frederik Andersen perform in the playoffs compared to the regular season?

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what you are or are not doing. And I think that that's part of, I just saw a panger a few weeks ago at Madison Square Garden. And I said, not only did I wear number 40 because you were my favorite goalie growing up, but I also got into broadcasting because I believed it was possible for me because you led the way along with John Garrett and John Davidson and so on. I mean, it is a thing, Kipper.

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Shouldn't you have been number 80 because you're twice as big as him? Well, I told Panger, true story is the only jersey I've ever purchased was a Darren Pang jersey when I was 12 years old because we're the same height. And it was because I was watching the Rock'em Sock'em videos.

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And I said to Panger when I saw him a few weeks ago, it was because of the glove saves that he made in the Rock'em Sock'em videos that inspired me to go out and play street hockey and become a goalie.

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452.887 - 470.466 Justin Bourne

That's awesome. Yeah, there's a great John Garrett video on Twitter right now of Mario Lemieux in a fight. Mario's feeding someone and Garrett comes over the top, launches himself in there. Gotta love a guy who, you know, competitive and all that and a great goaltender too. So a heck of a career on his part.

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Valley, where do you want to start in terms of the playoff performances, surprises? Or not? Let's talk. Put a bow on Ottawa and Carolina.

482.504 - 505.151 Steve Valiquette

That's what I was thinking. I think we should. I think we should talk about that series because I think it leaves a lot of questions out there hanging in the balance. If Allmark had a stunk it out, it would have been a situation where Ottawa is already looking for who their next goalie is. Not the case. He led... our expected goals model and goals saved above expected.

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He's had the most outstanding playoff with no victories. Now, I think the counterpoint to that is after game one, which we saw a couple of soft ones go by all mark in that game, he was lights out. And then as soon as you got into garbage time, the better he played. So I still wonder about how it's going to go for Ottawa next year with him and Nets.

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But that was not their issue in the series at all. So I feel like it kind of leaves Ottawa on a pretty hard spot. What do they do for next year? Do they still look outside of Allmark? I think they have to get somebody to at least be able to carry the load when he's absent because he is prone to absence. Now, the series itself, I thought it played out pretty strange because...

552.367 - 577.443 Steve Valiquette

Anderson was almost equal to Allmark in the series. He wins four straight. I thought that Ottawa played their game into Anderson's strengths. A lot of what Anderson was doing in the postseason reflected what his strengths were in the regular season. So his breakaways... I've said this before where Carolina has allowed the most breakaways in the league.

Chapter 4: Why is Connor Ingram starting over Tristan Jarry in Game 5?

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I thought Ottawa was going to have an opportunity to score off the rush and specifically breakaways in the postseason. We've found that breakaways do have that lever of momentum swing. So in the postseason here, Anderson only faced nine screens in the entire series, no goals against. He only faced six rebounds in the entire series, no goals against. Six net front chances. That was it.

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Batherson had one goal. When I looked at Anderson's goal saved above expected, it was a plus six. He was a minus five in the regular season, and he ranked 80th. So he was outstanding. His save percentage in the regular season, if you didn't know, was 874. Now, here's what I thought was interesting on the breakaway side. Ottawa...

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should have known before the series began that Anderson's weak spot was the breakaway goal. Now, he had 20 breakaways over the regular season, goals against, but only two of them were off dekes. Ottawa had five breakaways in the series. Four of them, they attempted to deke him. So they went right into his strong point, and specifically they tried to deke five-hole.

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He had only been beaten twice off a deke during the regular season, five-hole, all season long, and it was against the Pittsburgh Penguins twice in the same game. So it's really his strong suit. That's where I felt like Ottawa missed the mark in the series. Their pre-scout on Anderson could have been a lot stronger. Carolina, yeah, last thing on this, Carolina's 146 breakaways against.

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I said they were 32nd, 146 breakaways against. Now, one last thing on Anderson because Sammy brings it up all the time.

Chapter 5: What strategies can the Montreal Canadiens use to beat Andrei Vasilevskiy?

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The games haven't gotten big enough yet. Sammy's right. When the games get big, that's when he allows the low-danger goal, historically. If you guys remember a couple years ago, the Rangers were going into the third period against Carolina, down 3-1 in Game 6. Kreider had a hat trick. Well, one of those goals was low-danger.

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Last year, Florida, they had a low-danger goal in the elimination game as well to eliminate Carolina. Here's the interesting thing about low danger goals. Talk about swings in the games this year so far in the playoffs, guys. There have been 15 games where a low danger goal has been scored where the other team hasn't had one.

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And the record is 13-2 for the team that scores the low danger goal if the other team doesn't. 87% chance to win right now this year in the playoffs if you score a low-danger goal and the other guy doesn't allow one.

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So, Vali, I'm watching Montreal and Tampa, and I'm watching a lot of things not go right for Kucherov, where it's like at times you're like, it hits a blade, it gets picked off, his passes aren't as crisp and clean, but yet he still... takes the opportunity to pick something off the wall and just fire it at the net.

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And I just remember thinking to myself, he's going to hit one of those, you know, he's going to, and sure enough, I mean, that's your low percentage goal, right? On, on Hagel's redirect in front of the net, correct?

785.159 - 805.713 Steve Valiquette

Yeah, that's right. And Hagel, in fact, also had one, if you guys remember, he scored a long distance goal off a twisted wrister against Dostal as well. Now, let's just be careful with how we, by design, categorize low danger. Low danger would be a clear sighted shot from distance that's beaten the goalie.

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But when a player throws the puck from the corner to the pile of players net front and you get a ricochet that either produces a rebound opportunity for their own teammates or it goes directly in. Although the percentage and chance of that puck going in from the corner is low, when it hits a broken play, it elevates to a high.

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Because Kipper, there is no worse feeling in the NHL for a goalie to be leaning to recover to their right to make a save, and then it goes off your own defenseman's skate or net front. Now let's talk about the overtime goal that we saw the other night when Anaheim scored against the Oilers and paling throws it from the corner and he throws it at net front.

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He threw it to the top of the crease, not at the net. Now, I sent a picture on Twitter for you guys to look out just so we can talk about the dead angle. Because the dead angle is a line that goes from the back of the post all the way to the boards under the hash marks. So when players get into that area and they're throwing pucks, when you say net front, we're not talking at net, though.

Chapter 6: What are the key differences in offensive strategies between regular season and playoffs?

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You saw the last game. There were two of them. And one was right off the end wall. Can't get back to your post. So the issue that he's having in the series that the biggest challenge for him is being able to play between his posts, but he's really got to get back to playing at the top of his crease with his toes rather than his heels.

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A difference of six inches is a world of difference for a goalie to find the middle of the net.

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1009.955 - 1028.185 Justin Bourne

You know, one of the things you've said to me in the past that kind of stands out with all this is you said the Carolina is the easiest team for a goalie to get hot against. You know, as they move. But to me, they're kind of playing for this type of offense, right? Like they throw it in there. They hope to hit shins and sticks and whatever.

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1028.285 - 1038.083 Justin Bourne

And, you know, I'm curious how it's going to square because it is kind of playoff style offense. But at the same time, it's a lot more low danger attempts, right?

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1038.704 - 1051.205 Steve Valiquette

Carolina has more of the clear-sighted shots and less of the broken plays, but they have more of the puck recoveries. They're always at the top of the list at recovering off of their scoring chances.

1051.786 - 1067.193 Steve Valiquette

Because in most cases, Borny, it's like you saying to your winger or your centerman, when you're off to the sidewall like that, just throw it off blocker and I'm going to go recover it in the left corner because I know it's going there. Yeah. I mean, that's the advantage of shooting off a goalie's blocker. You're always going to be first if you know it's going there.

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And it's not an attempt to score. Like, I had some great games against Carolina, too, Borny. I want to say that they've been playing this way, this storm type of offense, I mean, for 20 years. You'd go into Carolina, and I'd really appreciate...

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all of the shots on goal there were also times though where they'd be on their third puck recovery and you're getting pretty tired because you're defending right in in your d zone and then seams are opening up and i think over the last couple years they've gotten better at hitting an east to west pass after they exhaust you to a certain degree they're doing a better job of that for sure

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You're watching and listening to Steve Alicat, analyst for the Rangers on MSG, also CEO of ClearSight Analytics. Let's talk Oilers and their goaltending scenario. Ingram back in going into game four, game time decision. You don't usually hear with contending teams for the Stanley Cup game time decisions on two relatively healthy goalies.

Chapter 7: How do the Minnesota Wild and Dallas Stars compare in Game 5?

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and heavy to the front and getting on his stomach when he tries to recover. So they're just passing it off of his pads. And I think the most indefensible play of that series was on the power play. If you guys saw Granlin's goal, it was a deflection from Kreider on a pass-off pad. Indefensible. That's why I think there's still more offense to come

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In the future, in the years forward, we're going to see and understand goal scoring another level. For instance, deflections that come from the ice when you are in front of the goalie, not to the side, but in front of him, it's a low-danger goal because it's easy for a goalie to get behind that deflection, anticipate it, and build a wall.

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But when you take a little off the puck and you deflect it off the goalie's pad for live chaos net front, It's indefensible, guys. You can't even move out of that. So I don't even blame Ingram for that goal in particular.

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But the others that were shots on goal where the Anaheim players, to me by design, looked like they were shooting 75 percenters, meaning 75 percent of full power on their wrister and just putting it off the pad and then having the guys going weak side post. Let's watch for that in this game tonight, because to me, it looks like this is something they know about Ingram.

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1281.569 - 1300.57 Steve Valiquette

The problem with the Oilers right now, fellas, it's their second periods. They've been out-chanced 15-5 in high-danger chances in the second period. And Jari's start, I think the reason why he's not going again is because he gave up one of those crushing low-danger goals again as well.

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And I think that they know, Edmonton knows, that they can't afford to have a low-danger goal with Tristan Jari in that right now. They need to have... a fighting chance to get back in the series.

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Just one more on the Oilers, the goaltending. And we just listened to Coach Knobloch refer to going back to Ingram as our guy, our guy. He said it twice in a relatively short period of time, which is great for Ingram. But what would that do to a guy like Jari? And, you know, what were your overall thoughts to hear that? I didn't personally value it. I don't like it.

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I don't like it for no other reason is I still may need Jari and I don't want him to feel like he's any one of our guys is not our guy.

1346.548 - 1368.132 Steve Valiquette

You know, I don't disagree. I think that You know, I went over Jerry's video and here's what I see. And sometimes a coach has a message like that because there may be, they've had it up to here and they're a little bit pissed off too. And why do I say that? Because it doesn't look like he's competing at a high level.

Chapter 8: What does Brady Tkachuk's future look like with the Ottawa Senators?

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I think that I didn't learn this lesson until I was 18 years old, and it was from Francois Allaire, who famously coached Patrick Waugh. I was staying at his house with Zach Burke, and he said, the harder you work before the shot, the easier the shot's going to be. And that changed everything for me. I went back to the Sudbury Wolves, and I finally outworked and out-competed the puck's pace.

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And when you do that, the game starts to feel stationary. But for Jari, the game is always moving right now at a pace faster than him because he's off angle to start the sequence. Here's the thing, guys. When you start any sequence, whether it's in your defensive zone coverage or off the rush and you're not on true angle, you never regain angle. You never catch up. The game is just too fast.

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And now you're in motion and you get beat because of it.

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1455.5 - 1471.737 Justin Bourne

Allie, taking you to the other Canadian series here, Dobish and Vasilevsky, has anything surprised you so far in the way that those two guys have looked? Obviously, they come from pretty significant, significantly different backgrounds in terms of success in the league prior to the series.

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1472.543 - 1491.116 Steve Valiquette

I'll start with Vasilevsky, Borny, because I'm surprised a little bit on the pre-scout for him because there's just so much information and there are so many goalie coaches for at least the last five or seven years that have built a book on him. So even if you don't have the book, you can call a buddy within the league that's maybe not in the postseason right now. It's a thing.

1491.697 - 1518.561 Steve Valiquette

Now, here's what happens with Vasilevsky off the rush. You cannot be a shooter. When you shoot on Vasilevsky off the rush, you are playing right into what Tampa Bay wants. If you watch Tampa Bay's D, they like to slide. They're a D that likes to slide and cut the pass. This year during the regular season, the puck carrier shot the puck on two-on-ones on Vasilevsky 33 times, scored only twice.

1519.262 - 1542.325 Steve Valiquette

You're not beating them. You're not beating them straight up. You've got to pass. All right, so you're looking for the pass early. If you get dots down, they slide and take the pass away. It has to be before tops of circles. Vassie likes to come out far. Pass it before the defenders stick. Right before the defenders stick, quick pass. You can try and look for the triangle.

1542.305 - 1570.573 Steve Valiquette

the space between his feet and the heel of stick, but that gets a little more challenging. I think it's fool's gold to look for the shot. Off the pass, he has a 7.69 save percentage. It's your best chance to score off the pass. The other is not enough shots blocker side. Based on net location this year, Vasilevsky had the fifth worst save percentage blocker side up and down the panel.

1570.908 - 1594.725 Steve Valiquette

They should be shooting blocker side more. Another is net front. We talk about this a lot with Vasilevsky. He had the fourth worst net front save percentage. Looking for rebounds, broken plays, chaos net front. If Montreal can do those three things, understand his game off the rush, where to shoot location, and then net front. they've got a fighter's chance to do this. I'm all in on Dobish.

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