Overtime – Episode #742: Jessica Tarlov, Kevin Roose, Christopher Rufo
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What do the panelists think about Trump banning CNN and MSNBC from the White House?
Welcome to an HBO podcast, from the HBO Late Night series, Real Time with Bill Maher. He's the host of the Machine Gods Podcast and author of the Asiatic Chronicles, Kevin Roos. She's a senior fellow at the Manaton Institute, author of America's Culture Revolution, Christopher Rupert, and she's a co-host of the Five on Fox News and her book is called I Disagree, Jessica Tarlow.
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these are the questions from the people. What does the panel think of Trump banning CNN politico and MS now from the White House because he says they are fake news? He he he just did that? I thought he did that like an
hour before we came on.
I thought he did it like ten years ago.
He's been trying slow burn.
I thought he threw the people out of the uh press. It
was the A P at first 'cause they wouldn't call it Gulf of America. I forget. And the
Pentagon, didn't aren't they?
Oh, they're all gone. Yeah. They got they were able to pull that one off. This feels like a a truth social move versus like what will actually happen. There'll be a solidarity stand with the the outlets are still allowed in.
Everything in this country is always just like everything is terrible unless our side does it and then it's always perfectly okay. I mean, like the free speech thing? I mean, come on. Yeah, no, I mean that has to make you laugh a little.
This is a mistake in the same way it was a mistake for Robert Kraft to ban Macklemore. Um, you're giving your opponents an easy win. They can they can say we stand for free speech, good journalism, we're being uh you know kicked out of the White House. I think it's a mistake uh strategically, but it's also a mistake on the substance. The president's best moments are oftentimes in combat with people from the left-wing media.
How do the guests argue that conservatives should handle mainstream media bias?
And so, as conservatives, we don't have the benefit of having the mainstream media on our side. We have to be smart in how we do combat with the left wing media if we want to have our message break through. And so hunkering down, remaining in the echo chamber, it's a mistake on all fronts.
I just
So we agree.
Yeah, but I just wanna add to that. You guys aren't the media victims. You actually have more share of eyeballs than the left does. So Fox has many more millions of viewers on a per hour basis than CNN or MS Now combined. The biggest podcasts are conservatives.
I mean that that's one way to measure it, but there's also who has more clout. Clout is what matters. The cool kids are all on. Well, not just the party, but the cool kids are all on the left. That means a lot. That matters a lot. We're not going to be able to do that.
Network television. I'm very cool. I'm very cool. But network television of You know, m mo mo most of Hollywood and and to Bill's point, it's about prestige. And so uh look the f the fact of the matter, the New York Times is more powerful than Fox News. Yes. That's that's how it is. I wish it weren't that way, but that's the world we live in.
Okay.
What is effective altruism and how is it connected to AI development?
Uh Kevin, what is the relationship between effective altruism and AI companies? And there's another one of those terms. I didn't hear it just this week. I've been hearing it for a while. Effective altruism. I mean it sounds like something you could not possibly disagree with. If there really was such a thing as effective altruism, to me that oh that's perfect. That's exactly what we want. Altruism, but effective. But I don't think that's exactly what it is, is it?
Well, effective altruism is a movement that started more than a decade ago. And when it started, it was mostly about things like malaria nets in the global south, pandemic prevention. It was this group of young people, they I sort of call them like Moneyball for Morality. They sort of said, Well, if we just analyze which charities are saving the most lives, we can give all our money there and we'll do the most good. Right. And they got really interested in AI and AI safety very early, relative to most. People. They were writing and talking about it many years ago. And so as a result, they sort of trained this generation of AI workers who now, if you go to the the big AI companies, you know, some some percentage of them are effective altruist or at least identified with them.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What do the panelists think about Trump banning CNN and MSNBC from the White House?
0:01–1:39
2
How do the guests argue that conservatives should handle mainstream media bias?
1:39–2:53
3
What is effective altruism and how is it connected to AI development?
2:53–4:18
4
Do Gavin Newsom’s statements about a 2028 presidential run reveal political strategy?
4:18–5:43
5
Why are parents pushing back against ‘woke’ school curricula and what changes are happening?
5:43–7:21
6
What are flock cameras and why are they sparking a surveillance controversy?
7:21–8:53
7
How does the panel assess Donald Trump’s claim that the Kennedy Center is in a virtual collapse?
8:53–10:11
8
What broader concerns do the guests raise about technology outpacing human adaptation?
10:11–11:30
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