The Formula
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What was the inspiration for the muffin showdown?
It's 5.16 a.m. I just had a dream where I was in an Airbnb with someone who was affiliated with Bimbo Bakeries who knew I was trying to reverse engineer the muffin recipe. He's this bald guy with a mustache. I want to say he was wearing a cardigan. We were playing pool in this Airbnb. And he said, how much flour and how much water do you think we start with? Because if you tell me that, it'll tell me if you're even close to knowing how we do this.
It was clear that Ben had gone very deep into the nooks and crannies of this story, but this work was too important to stop. In case you missed our previous episode, let me catch you up. One of the most famous trade secrets of all time is the recipe for Thomas's English muffins. It involves how they create their famous nooks and crannies, the most distinctive feature of a nearly half a billion dollar product. The owner of Thomas's, Bimbo Bakeries, Grupo Bimbo, say this secret was allegedly known to only seven employees at the company. And they sued one of them to keep him from taking another job, which set off a whole race in corporate America to lock up as many trade secrets as possible. Soon, the corporate world could look a lot more mystical and secretive. And all this led Ben, many, many years later, to wonder, how hard can it be to make a muffin?
What is the secret behind Thomas' English muffins?
So he set out to try and reverse engineer the famous Thomas' English muffins recipe.
I said, are you one of the seven who knows the recipe? And he nodded. And he was pretty mad at me. And he said, you're coming after my livelihood.
You're coming after my livelihood? Ben! But it's too late to turn back. He's in too deep. He's told me he might even have to go to the CIA. I'm Malcolm Glebel. You're listening to Revisionist History, my show about things overlooked and misunderstood. This season, we've taken on a great many foes. The haters of Paw Patrol, the absurd claims of RFK Jr., the lazy interviewing style of Joe Rogan. But now we're taking on our biggest opponent yet. Big Muffin. Because their trade secret represents a rising tide of secrecy that's coming for us all. And so we shall persist despite our nightmares. We must reverse engineer the English muffin.
How did Ben attempt to reverse engineer the recipe?
And here it is. The Muffin House. Yes. 337 West 20th Street, built as a foundry circa 1850, Samuel Bath Thomas converted the ovens for his English muffin bakery in the early 20th century. I'm reading from a plaque in front of the house where the inventor of Thomas's English muffins once baked. It's in Chelsea, just a couple blocks from the offices of Pushkin Industries. Nineteen years ago, the owner of the first floor apartment was taking out a radiator. He lifted up some of the floorboards and discovered a door. It was the remnants of Samuel Bath Thomas' oven. I was hoping somebody could show it to me. I rang the doorbell. No answer. Clearly, Bimbo Bakeries had gotten here first. This was a recurring problem.
I tried to hire some culinary researchers to help reverse engineer the trademark nooks and crannies recipe, but Bimbo was a client. After all, they are one of the largest baking conglomerates in the world. I rang a bunch of doorbells that no one answered. I sent a lot of emails that went unreturned. But a few brave bakers were willing to talk to me, at least about the nooks and crannies in general. For their own protection, we're not identifying them by name.
So am I the muffin man or not, I guess is the question. My question for you is, is this like you're trying to like create their exact product?
Yeah, can we make this exact English muffin?
Okay.
The vibe I was getting was mild interest laced with a healthy dose of, are you okay?
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What was the inspiration for the muffin showdown?
0:41–2:17
2
What is the secret behind Thomas' English muffins?
2:17–3:39
3
How did Ben attempt to reverse engineer the recipe?
3:39–10:12
4
Who are the key players in the muffin showdown?
10:12–14:38
5
What challenges did Rachel face while creating her muffins?
14:38–16:38
6
How did the Culinary Institute of America contribute to the project?
16:38–21:57
7
What were the results of the blind taste test?
21:57–36:15