In our season finale, we team up with the Culinary Institute of America to reverse engineer the secret recipe for Thomas’s English Muffins. You can read our top secret muffin recipe here. Get ad-free episodes to Revisionist History by subscribing to Pushkin+ on Apple Podcasts or Pushkin.fm. Pushkin+ subscribers can access ad-free episodes, full audiobooks, exclusive binges, and bonus content for all Pushkin shows. Subscribe on Apple: apple.co/pushkinSubscribe on Pushkin: pushkin.fm/plusSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What was the inspiration for the muffin showdown?
It's 5.16 a.m. I just had a dream where I was in an Airbnb with someone who was affiliated with Bimbo Bakeries who knew I was trying to reverse engineer the muffin recipe. He's this bald guy with a mustache. I want to say he was wearing a cardigan. We were playing pool in this Airbnb. And he said, how much flour and how much water do you think we start with?
Because if you tell me that, it'll tell me if you're even close to knowing how we do this.
It was clear that Ben had gone very deep into the nooks and crannies of this story, but this work was too important to stop. In case you missed our previous episode, let me catch you up. One of the most famous trade secrets of all time is the recipe for Thomas's English muffins.
It involves how they create their famous nooks and crannies, the most distinctive feature of a nearly half a billion dollar product. The owner of Thomas's, Bimbo Bakeries, Grupo Bimbo, say this secret was allegedly known to only seven employees at the company.
And they sued one of them to keep him from taking another job, which set off a whole race in corporate America to lock up as many trade secrets as possible. Soon, the corporate world could look a lot more mystical and secretive. And all this led Ben, many, many years later, to wonder, how hard can it be to make a muffin?
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Chapter 2: What is the secret behind Thomas' English muffins?
So he set out to try and reverse engineer the famous Thomas' English muffins recipe.
I said, are you one of the seven who knows the recipe? And he nodded. And he was pretty mad at me. And he said, you're coming after my livelihood.
You're coming after my livelihood? Ben! But it's too late to turn back. He's in too deep. He's told me he might even have to go to the CIA. I'm Malcolm Glebel. You're listening to Revisionist History, my show about things overlooked and misunderstood. This season, we've taken on a great many foes. The haters of Paw Patrol, the absurd claims of RFK Jr., the lazy interviewing style of Joe Rogan.
But now we're taking on our biggest opponent yet. Big Muffin. Because their trade secret represents a rising tide of secrecy that's coming for us all. And so we shall persist despite our nightmares. We must reverse engineer the English muffin.
Chapter 3: How did Ben attempt to reverse engineer the recipe?
And here it is. The Muffin House. Yes. 337 West 20th Street, built as a foundry circa 1850, Samuel Bath Thomas converted the ovens for his English muffin bakery in the early 20th century. I'm reading from a plaque in front of the house where the inventor of Thomas's English muffins once baked. It's in Chelsea, just a couple blocks from the offices of Pushkin Industries.
Nineteen years ago, the owner of the first floor apartment was taking out a radiator. He lifted up some of the floorboards and discovered a door. It was the remnants of Samuel Bath Thomas' oven. I was hoping somebody could show it to me. I rang the doorbell. No answer. Clearly, Bimbo Bakeries had gotten here first. This was a recurring problem.
I tried to hire some culinary researchers to help reverse engineer the trademark nooks and crannies recipe, but Bimbo was a client. After all, they are one of the largest baking conglomerates in the world. I rang a bunch of doorbells that no one answered. I sent a lot of emails that went unreturned.
But a few brave bakers were willing to talk to me, at least about the nooks and crannies in general. For their own protection, we're not identifying them by name.
So am I the muffin man or not, I guess is the question.
My question for you is, is this like you're trying to like create their exact product?
Yeah, can we make this exact English muffin?
Okay.
The vibe I was getting was mild interest laced with a healthy dose of, are you okay?
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Chapter 4: Who are the key players in the muffin showdown?
It is a big space.
Rachel checked in with the CIA. Green light. She and I were going to reverse engineer Thomas' nooks and crannies. The trade secret of the muffin involves the process, recipe, and machines. But any major baking company knows how to make bread at scale. It's the principles behind the nooks and crannies that were the key thing. We began to have regular debriefing calls.
I'm driving home from school, so yeah, it's going really well.
Rachel was all in. She even enlisted her students in the effort.
And I have so many English muffins in the classroom.
The first recipes were a bust. No nooks or crannies.
The inside of the Thomas's almost reminds me of like a dense pancake. You know, like a batter that's almost poured. So we decided that we need to add more hydration to our dough. We're going to overproof it on purpose so it sits a little flatter on the griddle. Ours got a lot of loft, so we kind of have to make them a little crappier.
But making things crappier turned out to be a bit of a challenge for Rachel.
The difficulty is that the Thomas's muffin is great and ours is not. So I think I can just get a lower quality flour and work with that. Also, I've been buttering the griddle, but also we're using... you know, plus gras, like 84% butter, fat butter. It's like super yellow. So I need to get, I think I'm just going to oil it.
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Rachel face while creating her muffins?
Yeah, I feel like the egg definitely came first. Okay.
We were walking through a library, one floor of which is all recipe books, organized according to a system I had never before encountered. Nutrition, gastronomy, kitchen equipment. As we walked through campus, I noticed all the pedestrian crossing signs had a cartoon person in a chef's hat, a toque, which, true to life, was what everyone wore, or the teachers at least.
The students all had these small skull caps on. You know you've chosen a great profession when only at the highest rank do you get to wear the silliest hat. We entered the baking building.
So in this class, they learn how to do sugar work, chocolate show pieces and fondant. So that swan is totally made out of sugar.
Why is she using a steamer on her cake over there?
It gives it like a nice, like glossy look.
It was becoming clear to me that this is the greatest college in America.
This is contemporary cakes. Chocolates. Advanced baking principles. Plated desserts class. Like, there's the freshman, what, 15 at other schools. I would say, being at the culinary, it's more like a freshman 50.
The plan was to use CIA students as guinea pigs in our muffin test. Could they tell the difference between the reverse engineered muffin and the real Thomas's? Except, as Hannah toured me around campus, I was slowly realizing that this particular audience of testers might be a little too smart.
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Chapter 6: How did the Culinary Institute of America contribute to the project?
Okay, so it's mirepoix, mirepoix, roux, roux, roux, dice it up, chop it up, put it in the stew.
What does mirepoix mean?
Mirepoix?
She could not believe I didn't know the meaning of the word mirepoix. Do you know the meaning of the word mirepoix? Well, as I learned, it is a ratio for soup base. Two parts onion, one part carrot, one part celery, and four parts esoteric. You're welcome. And here I was, thinking these food geniuses could be fooled by my taste test. I headed over to Rachel's classroom, Bake Shop 9.
Rachel was communing with the muffin dough.
Like every time you stretch gluten, it freaks out a little bit and you have to let it rest so that it will relax enough to do the next thing. I took the dough out of the refrigerator and I have flattened it into a pan so it's the right thickness for our muffins.
If anyone could pull this off, it was gonna be Rachel. We were making English muffins from two recipes she'd created. One, using the ingredients listed on the Thomas's package, including vinegar. Now, having that list is helpful, but the ingredients only tell you so much. Baking, like mirepoix, is all about ratios and process.
Rachel was making a second batch with sourdough, which was her own spin. We were going to taste both, see which was closer to Thomas's, and then put it up against the real thing in the blind taste test.
We can open this one to this person. That's pretty amazing. Look at that.
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Chapter 7: What were the results of the blind taste test?
That was a wrong answer.
But most of them... Excuse me, I think it was $5.34.
That's different. $3.99 is different. It's $1.09. Pretty sure it's $1.42. $1.42 is what's different. Pretty quickly it became clear that we were on track for over 60% of people correctly guessing which muffin was not like the others. This was not working. We're getting smoked so far. We're getting absolutely destroyed. it looked like our entire plan was going to fail.
We took on Bimbo Bakery's legendary trade secret. And just like in Bimbo Bakery's vs. Chris Botticella, we were losing, and the secret was winning.
We'll be right back.
I want to leave the muffin test for a moment to tell you about a rabbit hole I fell down while researching this episode. I was trying to articulate why the idea that the nooks and crannies were a trade secret bothered me so much. So I began studying other trade secrets and secret recipes. One of the most famous is for a liqueur called chartreuse.
Chartreuse has been made by a French monastic order, the Carthusians, based on a mysterious recipe that was gifted to them in 1605. This recipe is a very closely guarded secret. Nooks and crannies for fancy cocktails. I learned that one of the Carthusian monks who'd been in charge of chartreuse production had left the order and now lived in New York City. So I wrote to him.
His name is Father Michael Halloran. I visited him at the parish offices of St. Monica's Church on the Upper East Side just a few days after Easter. What is known about the origin of that recipe?
No one ever seems to have researched it. We never knew anything more about it, trying to trace it back further. I've never seen anything on that. But the main reason that it's different is that it is a secret and has been kept a secret all this time is because it was simply for the support of the monks. They were pure contemplatives. There was no sense that we want to become rich with this.
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