More Rosebud - Gyles's Diary episode 45
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello again, or if this is the very first time you've come across Rosebud, hello. My name is Giles Brandreth, and because this is the more Rosebud episode that we drop on a Tuesday, it's not just me here. My producer and friend Harriet Jane joins me at the microphone, and together we say hello. Hello. I wanted to ask you, Harriet...
Which British landmarks spark the hosts' memories and why?
What would you say is the landmark that for you defines the British Isles? I ask for a reason. And our podcast goes around the world now, which is thrilling for us. Only about three quarters of our audience are based in Britain. The rest are overseas. And I came across a survey of the most iconic landmarks in the British Isles. And what do you think came first?
Oh, was it Big Ben?
It was. Well done.
Oh, wow. That's what I was going to say.
What else would you have chosen?
I was going to choose something like an oak tree or a pile of rocks somewhere because I grew up in Devon and there's some really amazing rocks.
Well, there were rocks because the Giant's Causeway was in that list. I've been there. It's fantastic. It's in Northern Ireland.
It looks amazing.
And I think the idea was that once upon a time you could go along that causeway from there to Scotland. Before there was a sea there.
Oh, how amazing.
I think that's up there. I would have chosen, it wasn't on the list, the White Cliffs of Dover is rather wonderful. Yeah. On my list, too, would be Salisbury Cathedral.
Oh, lovely.
I visited Salisbury Cathedral this week because I am the chairman of something called the Edward Heath Charitable Foundation. Edward Heath was the British Prime Minister in 1970 to 73, and I knew him. He was an odd character, but he was remarkable. He probably was the first... conservative, working-class prime minister.
Came from... Oh, really? I didn't know he was working-class.
Well, he came from a straightforward family. And I think they were working people. I think you could describe him as a working-class boy who was clever and, you know, got scholarships, went to Oxford University. What was also interesting about him is that he maybe was the last prime minister to have a proper life outside of politics. I think he won a big international yacht race while he was Prime Minister.
Yeah, he loved sailing, didn't he?
He loved sailing. He was a good sailor. He loved music as well. He conducted choirs. And I said to him once, when did it all change? He said, it wouldn't be possible now to follow the interests I had. And he, of course, blamed Margaret Thatcher, who defeated him and became the Conservative leader in succession to him.
Oh, how interesting. And she really was a workaholic.
Absolutely. And he felt that from then on in... The prime ministers felt they had to work 18 hours a day and be always on it.
Oh, how interesting.
And the 24-hour news round. Whereas he came from a tradition set by more patrician people, like Harold Macmillan, where you could be in Downing Street reading a novel by Trollope, two or three hours of an afternoon reading your novel.
Yeah, wonderful. I mean, actually, it was one of the things I rather liked about Jeremy Corbyn when he came on. was he said, I think you said something to him like, oh, you know, do you have a bit of a reputation of being awkward? And he said, oh, that's just because I am quite clear about setting aside time. And I just say, no, I'm not working now. I'm reading for the next two hours. And I sit in the House of Commons library and I get a book off the shelf and read it. And I say, I'm going to my allotment for five hours this afternoon. Yeah, and I think you need to do that to remain sane. He said you have to do that, otherwise you could spend 24 hours a day answering your constituents' complaints.
Yeah, even as a backbench MP, which he now is. But if you are a minister, let alone prime minister, the pressures on you, the international pressures, the national pressures, the party pressures, they do, they completely take over your life. Whereas Ted Heath was a bachelor anyway, had, well, a life with a variety of interests. And he felt that gave him the freedom, this is his view, to think big thoughts, to think long term, to actually do the strategic thinking required of a prime minister, not to get bogged down in detail.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:20–0:43
2
Which British landmarks spark the hosts' memories and why?
0:43–7:06
3
What makes Salisbury Cathedral and Edward Heath's history noteworthy?
7:06–30:17
4
Who writes in to Rosebud and what surprising listener stories do they share?
30:17–50:34
5
How is the new Rosebud postcard competition being launched and where can you send entries?
50:34–58:40