Rotten Mango
Sister Finds Out 18-Yr-Old Brother Has “First Time” W/ Mom’s Corpse & Did Unthinkable W/ Her Brain
Sun, 27 Apr 2025
The hardest part to understand is - you know that they’re dead but you still expect them to start moving around. That’s what the CSI techs say is the strangest part of their jobs. Well - that and the photographs that they have to take. The evidence log for the case is extensive. There are pictures of the green door that leads into the unit. Unit #1707. Pictures of the thick trail of blood leading from the living room couch, into the hallway, and straight into the bedroom.Pictures of the bloody claw hammer.Pictures of the brain matter scattered all over the carpet. But the two pictures the investigators really are intrigued by are the two letters left behind by the killer. One left for the police. Taunting the police.“Chase me oh - and sorry for the mess.” And another one that reads -“Don’t lose your head. She may yet live (although I doubt it).Hurry Desirae.” Desirae is the 23 year old daughter of the murder victim.Why would they kill Desirae’s mom?Why are they targeting Desirae now?And will the killer get to Desirae before the police can? Full show notes at rottenmangopodcast.com
Chapter 1: What is the eerie feeling at crime scenes?
They say that eerie feeling never really goes away. It doesn't matter how many times they're called to these places. One person writes, every single time we're called out, we expect every single human we come across in life and every single human that we meet to be alive. And then you see someone and you are told that they're dead.
Chapter 2: How do crime scene investigators cope with trauma?
All your brain does is process, oh, this person is no longer moving. And it's weird because logically, you know they're dead because why else would you be here? But you also expect them to pop up or start moving after a while or start talking to you. But they don't because they're dead. One person gives some advice on how to deal with it.
My first death scene, I went to sleep and I could still see their eyes. I had to take pictures of their eyes. I just had to remind myself, it's a job. It needs to be done. You just have to make sure you leave all of the emotions at work. Do not bring it home with you. That is the job of a crime scene investigator.
They have to be there to meticulously log every single detail and evidence, just taking pictures from every single angle, every feasible possible direction. Sometimes, even though the purpose is taking pictures of the evidence, There is so much thought that goes behind every single picture entered.
In really gruesome cases, taking pictures of the extent of the gruesomeness, of the brutality, is very important. You need a ton of pictures, though, without all the quote-unquote gore. Because they say if it's too gory, the defense attorney may successfully object to admitting a good chunk of the evidence pictures for the jury.
So you need some that are probably going to make it to the jury, and then you need some that show the brutality, and then you need some that do a little bit of both.
Hmm. How does that even work?
I guess if it's just too graphic, they could try to not show the jury. Hmm. One person writes, it's a very tough job. Everyone that I know that's done the job ends up pensioned off with PTSD. I mean, constantly documenting the tragedy and the worst of humanity eventually takes its toll.
Just seeing the images is quite different from actually being at the crime scene where the trauma and the grief and the violence is not quite so abstract anymore. With one confirming, since I've been in this field, we've lost on average one person every 18 months due to mental health. And what I mean by lost is not just a regular job turnover.
Like they went and got a new job somewhere else that pays better. I mean, these people are totally unable to work at all in any field. They're gone and they're medicated. The photos typically come in at least three sets. Wide angle shots to show the jury typically the whole crime scene. Then mid-range shots to show a few pieces of evidence and in relation to each other and the whole scene.
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Chapter 3: What details did police find at the crime scene?
So if there's a knife next to a chair, you gotta figure out how to show the exact distance in a photo without letting the angle get distorted. Then you got the closeup shots of specific pieces of evidence. March 26th in Texas, officers arrive. And the first thing that they will later take pictures of is that little green door to the apartment. They take a picture. This is the door to the unit.
Unit 1707 swings open and the two officers are standing at the little threshold. The maintenance worker that just handed them the key to this person's unit is standing behind them. He probably can't see what's inside. I don't know if he even wants to see. He's just kind of standing there. The first thing the officers see, though, is on the ground, there is a very large stain.
It's a trail of blood on the carpet. The trail of blood goes from the living room, the leather couch, all the way into the hallway. Police!
they walk in they take a mental note not to disturb anything because they've got to get pictures of all of this later but first they need to know what they're walking into right now they follow the blood and it leads them all the way from the living room down the hallway to the right and there's family photos throughout the entire apartment they follow this literal blood trail down the hallway into the bedroom on the right and on the floor there right when you open the door
is the partially nude body of Kimberly Hill. There's this bloody hammer with a wooden handle laying next to her head and it's pretty clear that Kimberly is deceased. I mean, this is the murder weapon. The report notes, gaping wound on the back of her head. Obvious head trauma. The officer writes, I noticed blood and tissue on the floor.
Brain matter was also on the floor next to the female along with the hammer used. The rest of the two bedroom apartment is quote unquote cleared, meaning there's no suspect. Whoever did this to Kimberly Hill is gone. CSI comes in to take photos. A bloody pink hoodie on the living room couch labeled as photo 29 in the evidence file.
Inside the bloody pink jacket, a bloody hairband also pictured in photo 29. A pink cell phone laying on the living room couch labeled as photo 30. Bloodstains on the hallway walls labeled as photo 9. Apparent bloodstains on the hallway restroom sink countertop labeled as photo 10. All of these have to be meticulously logged and documented. But the most intriguing picture that the police want taken,
I have a few notes left behind by the killer. The officers are leaning down. Is this for us? Because it seems to directly address the officers. It reads, chase me. Oh, and sorry for the mess. KD. Who the hell is KD? Later, when they finally catch the killer, they ask him, why did you write that letter? Did you write that for us?
He just smiles and shyly states, I was just in a very playful mood at the time. But that's not the main note. The main note that the police are really alarmed by is left right at the entrance of the apartment. It's actually the first thing that you see when you walk in. The killer left it on top of the blood trail. So whoever comes in is going to read this note immediately.
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Chapter 4: Who is Desiree and what happened to her mother?
Like you better not be soliciting for some insurance right now. How can we help you? Timothy is scanning the stranger up and down. He's quite short. He's scrawny. He looks very slender. He's got peach fuzz mustache, thin wireframe glasses sitting on top of his nose. I know it's not good to stereotype people, but he looks like a coder.
He looks like he codes at night and is an engineer that works for Meta. He looks mostly harmless. He looks mostly harmless, if not cautiously friendly. Do I know you? But that's what you say about off days. You can't really plan for these surprises because five minutes after that knock on that door, the three of them are now awkwardly standing there.
Luanda, Timothy, and this stranger at their door. Their backs are tense. They're just kind of standing awkwardly. If a drone were to pass over this tiny single family home in Texas, you might think these people are aliens trying to blend in as humans. The three of them standing in front of the front door, not really talking, not really doing anything, just kind of staring.
It looks like they're frozen. If the front door is open and the couple have a clock, you would hear it ticking from outside. The coffee's probably cold by this point. The two, Luanda and Timothy, are taking turns clearing their throat. The husband, Timothy, does try to take some initiative in this situation. He asks a few questions to the stranger, but all the answers are coming back very vague.
I mean, perhaps some questions are better left for professionals. Maybe he should ask or switch directions. Would you like something to drink? The stranger looks them in the eye, contemplates for a moment, and states, I'm scared of you. You're being too nice to me. I've never had anyone be nice to me like that. And then he just stares at them.
Oh, well, okay. I mean, there's not really many articulate things you can say back to that.
Wait, they're standing and that's all is being said? Yeah.
i mean it's very strange they just watch the stranger then stare off onto the quiet residential road just waiting to get picked up luanda steps aside to call the stranger's ride once more because what on earth is taking them so long the tension the awkwardness she can't even take it anymore and then finally she sees the very first car pull up then the second and at 10 a.m.
on a Thursday morning, the cars pull up to pick up this stranger. Thank God. And even the stranger looks excited to be leaving. He's got both of his arms in the air and people start running out of the cars, tackling him to the ground.
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Chapter 5: What was in the killer's notes?
He told them straight up, hi, can I use your phone to call 911? I just murdered someone. And then they made a call to 911. They said, we're on their way. Then they stood there awkwardly.
Luanda moved the side to call 911 again and was like, are you guys here yet?
So they were really, really, really scared. Yes. How old are they?
They're a middle-aged couple, 50s. What? Yeah. All he told them was that he killed someone. Do you remember why he said he killed that person? I just remember he told me, quote, lots of reasons. 23-year-old Desiree is brought into the interrogation room with the two officers. One of them is very bald, by the way.
A lot of people have commented that the center of his head where he's bald is very bald to the point where the fluorescent lights do, in fact, kind of sparkle off the top of his head. But that's neither here nor there. I point that out because he appears to not be a netizen favorite. They sit Desiree down on one of the chairs. Because remember, there's a note left for her.
She's wearing jeans, a red tank top. She looks like she's getting ready to go on a run or run some errands. But she just got pulled here instead. Initially, when the two investigators sit her down, it's kind of hard to say...
exactly how they're treating her it feels like she's being treated as a suspect in this case just judging by the way that they're talking to her she sits down her boyfriend is standing out of frame of the camera and the officers break the news that her mother kimberly hill has been murdered
And Desiree slams her hand on the table and she's screaming, she gets up and she's hyperventilating, trying to calm herself down so she can sit back down and talk to the investigators. I will say it's interesting because you read a lot about people's responses to shock and grief.
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Chapter 6: What did Kevin Davis confess during interrogation?
And a lot of the times you can feel the shock and grief in their responses, but it still feels a little bit further away. Her reaction feels... incredibly relatable for some reason.
I don't know if it's her age, I don't know what it is, but it's the way that she's kind of trying to pace and hold it together and then she's sitting down and then she's standing up, she slams her fists on the table, she's clearly very distraught. But oddly, the investigators seem to have very little sympathy. Desiree is gasping nonstop.
It's like her body can't decide if she wants to collapse or keep sobbing. It doesn't make sense. In between breaths that she sounds like she's choking on, she's apologizing to the officers. Sorry, I'm going to calm down. She's sitting back down. She's screaming, no, no, no. And then it's all over the place. Her boyfriend is in the room trying to comfort her, but she's... Inconsolable.
It takes a few good minutes for Desiree to be able to sit down and clearly she's doing everything in her power to respond to these questions because every answer could be very helpful right now. The officers wait for her to be semi-calm and then they break the news to her. We were worried about you. We haven't told anybody else, but he, the killer, he wrote some notes before he did what he did.
He was planning on killing your mom and then killing you and then leaving town. Desiree takes a second to absorb what she's just been told. She was on the killer's hit list. She rests her head in her hands and she just says, that's crazy. Holy. But again, if that note was left for Desiree, if the plan was to kill Desiree next, why didn't the killer come for her? Why is she still alive?
There's a lot of things hospice workers say that send a chill down your spine as you're working with these patients. And some of it isn't even the normal day-to-day working conditions. And of course, some of the older patients seeing things, people suffering from dementia, and they're talking to people that don't exist in the corner. Yeah, that's creepy sometimes, right?
But other times, there are things that hospice workers just feel in their gut. Something doesn't make sense. Something isn't right. One person writes online, one time an elderly woman died, so they did the usual procedure. You know, they have the doctor declare it, notify the family, start to prepare the body for the night since the morgue couldn't get her straight away.
We put a cotton ball in her nose and her mouth to stop any leakage. And just before her family comes, one of the staff members walks into her room and the woman is sitting up and moving. Very much alive. The staff member freaks out, obviously. We help this woman and then passes the news on to the family. And a few hours later, she died again. For real this time.
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Chapter 7: How did the crime unfold according to Kevin Davis?
But we refuse to start the process again for a while, just in case. I don't know. It was just weird. Certain things just make you feel like something's not right here. You just have a bad, bad feeling about it. Celeste and Kathleen, they got a bad feeling about this. They show up to the apartment complex. It feels like they got a giant 10 pound watermelon in their stomach.
Celeste runs a hospice center in Texas and Kathleen is an employee, but they're not even here for a patient. They're here for the coworker, Kimberly Hill. She's supposed to show up for a meeting to discuss a few of the patients. She's a no-show, which doesn't make any sense. If anybody is on time, it's Kimberly Hill. She served in the Marines for a decade. Like this woman shows up on time.
She does not miss a beat. If she's going to, she's going to let you know. Celeste and Kathleen decide, why sit at work all day stressing out when we just drive over? Maybe for the one time in her lifetime, she slept in.
They drive closer into the apartment building, closer into the parking lot, and they see a swarm of cop cars just parked out front with the lights on, which is alarming, but who's to say that every flashing light on a cop car is even meant for them? Like, what if this has nothing to do with them and they're just thinking too deep?
They drive closer and closer in silence into the lot, and by the time that they park the car, they know because they can visually see all the officers going up and down in and out of one unit, unit 1707. Celeste and Kathleen are trying to talk to the police, but they're all, ma'am, back up. You cannot go into the unit right now. Can you just tell us what's happening?
When is the last time you spoke with Kimberly Hill? Yesterday. We talked to her yesterday. She was happy. She was having a good day. What is happening? The autopsy for Kimberly Hill is multiple pages long, mainly focusing on the extensive blunt force trauma to the head. The external examination report reads, the scalp is covered by abundant brown hair. The eyes are gray.
The nose and lips are unremarkable aside from changes described below. The oral cavity has native teeth in fair state. Upper back has a tattoo of a pair of eyes. She died two days before her 51st birthday. In addition, the brain has multiple lacerations predominantly at the right side. The brain has scattered hemorrhaging. The anterior base of the skull at the left and right sides have fractures.
The left subdural area has a 1 4th inch to a 4 inch moist subdural hematoma. In addition, identified within the hair of the scalp are bone fragments and approximately 100 grams of pulpified brain matter. To break that down, the injuries to the brain are so severe that there are actual tears in the brain tissue. So there's physical tearing of the brain matter. You know how skin can be torn?
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Chapter 8: What chilling details about the murder were revealed?
The inside of the brain is torn, which you're only going to get that from severe blunt force trauma to the head. Penetrating injuries where objects will break through the skull and tear the brain, or when the skull bone fragments pierce into the brain tissue. There's breaking of the bones at the bottom part of the skull. There's a brain bleed with pooling of blood.
But one of the most alarming details in the entire autopsy is obviously the pulpified brain tissue. Brain tissue in that sense has become blended and brain tissue is now being expelled from the skull. The brain tissue is outside the skull. It is in the person's hair. About 100 grams has left the skull. That's a deck of playing cards. That's a chocolate bar. That's a dove soap.
That's how much brain has been expelled from the skull and has pulpified. The detective working this case is trying to get some clear answers about the injuries to the victim's head, likely clarifying things from the case files. Is this in the front or the back of the head, the injuries? Top back, mainly. I mean, actually, the entrance wound is around here, yonder here somewhere.
The man explaining it to the detective is calmly, very professionally, almost gesturing to the back of his head to show the detective where the majority of the wounds are. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. The two detectives are taking a moment to soak in this information. Then the detective turns to the man at the police station and asks...
Then so when you dragged her to the bedroom, you kept hitting her there? Yeah. The detective is not talking to the medical examiner. He's talking to the killer. The interrogation room is tiny. It barely fits a desk and three chairs. There's two investigators and the killer, the suspect. He's wearing black short sleeve t-shirt, wireframe glasses, resting his chin in his hand.
The suspect's shoulders are even more relaxed than the investigator sitting across him. This looks more like a conference room that you book out in your local college for group projects. That's the energy of the way this guy is sitting. The detective looks at him. How about us? You think you want to kill us? He waves his hand in front of his face. Oh no, men aren't actually my thing. Women, yeah.
Do you have a girlfriend? I don't, I've never had a girlfriend actually. I'll tell you what, give me your fantasy of killing a woman. Like how would your fantasy, what would be the ultimate killing? What would that be?
the suspect in the black shirt looks a little shy he's resting his chin on his hand it's a little peculiar and you know i'm on camera um look we're not gonna be surprised at what we hear but you you tell us He looks up, stares into the abyss for a second. His chin is resting in his hand like he's thinking about a good steakhouse that he ate a few weeks back.
Maybe dressing up in a nice suit, sneaking into her house, disabling her boyfriend. I'd bring a pretty dress with me to dress her up in. And I always was into strangling. But I guess after that last blunder, I guess maybe something big and sharp would be more along my thing. Then I could, I don't know, probably decapitate her? It takes a moment to scratch his chin with his index finger.
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