Rotten Mango
Another ‘19 Kids & Counting’ Duggar Couple Arrested for Child Molestation and Endangerment
15 Apr 2026
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Chapter 1: What led to the Duggar family's downfall?
This is part four of the Duggar empire fall. And if you've been listening to part one, two, and three, please do that before you listen to this episode, because we've gone through Josh Duggar's fall of going through the 2015 in touch expose, the Ashley Madison leak, the Danica Dillon lawsuit. And now.
we are finally headed to the final part where Joshua Duggar is arrested and thrown into prison and then his brother, Joseph Duggar, will soon be arrested. And it all starts because there is sin in the camp. Wait, when was he arrested?
Chapter 2: What were the key events leading to Joshua Duggar's arrest?
2021. So April 29th, 2021, Homeland Security investigators walk into a car dealership and they have a federal search warrant for all of Joshua Duggar's devices. The first thing Joshua Duggar does is reach for his phone to call his attorney, but before he can, the agent sees it because the phone is now evidence. Then it comes the big question.
Before the agents tell Joshua Duggar what they're even investigating, he opens his mouth and he asks, what is this about? Has somebody been downloading child pornography? What? It's the kind of question that answers itself, but it doesn't even matter because based off of all of his devices, the evidence is already there.
It is uncovered that Joshua Duggar used a computer bypassing Covenant's eyes, the software he and his wife have to make sure that he doesn't watch legal explicit videos featuring adults. He bypasses that application. goes on to the dark web to download hundreds of CSAM images. Law enforcement, they track the images to a used car dealership that he works at.
And on his computer, there's that evidence that he downloaded and watched these files. Multiple videos of full-on assault, at least 65 photographs of CSAM, where one depicts a child being locked in a dog kennel. The victims are between 18 months to 12 years old. He is charged with one count of receiving CSAM and one count of possessing CSAM.
Just a few days before his arrest, Joshua and Anna Duggar announced that they were expecting their seventh child. And he has now been arrested for downloading and possessing images of toddlers' children being abused while celebrating the fact that he's going to be adding another child into his family.
The judge even later tells Josh, the ages of the children depicted in the downloaded materials are very close to the ages of your children.
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot of reasons that Joshua is nicknamed pest on Reddit forums. One of them being he just like won't go down without squirming and fighting and trying to take everyone down with him too. How did they even find this? Is this all come from the 2015 stuff? They just keep on looking into him or someone tipped him off or? No.
So a lot of how CSAM is caught is they have this huge database where every CSAM picture, screenshot, thumbnail, video is logged with a specific metadata code. And that code is then shared with all the local police stations and all of the internet service providers.
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Chapter 3: How did law enforcement uncover Joshua Duggar's crimes?
And then they usually come with an IP address and that leads to a physical location. And then they go to that police station in that jurisdiction and then they go and arrest.
Okay.
They work with the police station, but it's Homeland Security. So this wasn't related to everything that happened. No. Like no one was specifically looking into Joshua Duggar. Wow. So that actually is more terrifying because this is just like an off chance he got caught. Yeah.
This is not, oh, we've been building a case on him and this is the first time he's done something, so we're going to get him. It's just, this is just like a coincidence. Wow. Yeah. This guy. The first problem is the evidentiary hearing. This is the day before the trial.
There is a three-hour hearing discussing whether or not Joshua's prior molestation of his sisters can be admissible during the trial. Bobby Holt, remember? Joshua was courting their daughter. She's the wife of Jim Holt, also weird politician. She testified about finding out about the molestation. Jim Bob is also called into court and his relationship with memory seems to be highly strategic.
He largely states that he doesn't remember much. Jim Bob? Yeah, the dad is like, I don't remember. It was just years and years ago, a long time ago. He's almost diminishing the severity of it. The court even states, the court found Mr. Duggar's selective lapse in memory to be not credible. He was obviously reluctant to testify against his son.
It must run in the family because when Joshua was interviewed before his arrest, the way he responds to questions is eerily calm. He's just asking, you know, I guess I have, you know, quite a few questions about it, but I don't know. How much can you divulge? But I'm just curious. You're saying there's images being uploaded or images being downloaded?
The IP address from this had a lot of CCM associated to it in a peer-to-peer software program. He's like, Well, I do have a peer-to-peer software program. So peer-to-peer means that you can transmit files without going through a third party, which it would be like unencrypted or something like that. I don't know.
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Chapter 4: What evidence was found against Joshua Duggar during the trial?
I don't use peer-to-peer software programs like that, okay? Not that every time you use a peer-to-peer software program, you're doing something illegal. A lot of people do it because they just don't want to be surveilled. And a lot of people might need to do it because certain areas, the surveillance is, you know, you get it. But Josh is like, oh, yeah, I have that.
And he just admits it very casually. Like, doesn't everyone? He's also like, also, I use Tor, which is how people access the dark web, if you will. And he's like a Tor browser. We upload stuff for our cars and things like that. So he's like, I use the dark web for our car dealership. I've had a friend of mine that came and set up like the file sharing so we could do more encrypted type stuff.
He just said it was like safer that way. He got me into it to be safer. And then the agents are like, are you talking about Torrent or Tor? Cause those are very different things. And he's like, I don't know. I don't know anything. So what is the scope? Is like what I'm trying to say.
Is there something going on in my devices that there's like where there's been something's accessed or something's downloaded or something like that? Is this videotape or is this like a- Audio.
Oh. Mm-hmm.
And the officers are like, well, that's what led us here. He later says so casually, I mean, I don't want to say that I'm guilty or not of accessing inappropriate content at some point, like at any point in my life, which is crazy. I mean, I will say that...
I will Google some crazy things for cases, but I can definitively say to a cop, I have never accessed anything inappropriate in my lifetime. But he's like, I can't say, you know, for sure. I don't want to definitively, like, I don't want to put that in there. You know what I mean? It's like, what do you mean? I think most people can definitively say that.
Regardless, Joshua's history of molesting his sisters is allowed to be admitted into trial. But the pest does not give up. During the trial, he tries to point the finger. His attorneys basically do the whole, this is a classic... Who done it? You know, who done it? And downloaded the CSAM. Am I right?
They even bring in people from Covenant's eyes to testify how the operating system only works on Windows. But Joshua went and got Linux, Linux, I don't know, to bypass any and all detection that the software could have. The password used was allegedly the same password Josh used for the family's Instagram account.
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Chapter 5: What was the public reaction to Joshua Duggar's sentencing?
And two, Joshua was the only one there at the time that he's downloading these files. And three, he's texting his wife that he's going to be home late. Nobody else is there. Not another employee. Nobody. It's also revealed during the trial that Joshua would frequent Reddit snark pages. So a lot of people started calling him names for that reason. How did they find out about that?
I think it was going through the Covenant Eyes. They were testifying of his internet browser history. Oh, wow. He's obviously found guilty, but during sentencing, Michelle, of course, writes a letter to the judge asking leniency for her, our son, our firstborn son. In short, it has everything that you expect it to have.
She states that she wants to share information about Josh's character that may not be fully known to the court, which I think the court knows enough about Josh's character. But nevertheless, Josh has a tender heart and he's compassionate with others. If someone is having a difficult time, he's the first one to encourage or try to help them in a tangible way.
Yet nobody's trying to lock him up for being a negative Nancy, okay? He's a child predator. She's like, he's always positive. He's got a positive attitude. She says that Josh deserves leniency because he's been giving money to a widow friend of theirs for several years now. And he's also great at work. Side note, he was downloading CSAM in the parking lot of his workplace. She continues,
He has set a good example of applying himself eagerly to his work and in many other responsibilities he carries as a husband and father. We ask that he would be reunited with his wife and family in a timely manner. Thank you, Your Honor, for taking these thoughts into consideration. Anna Duggar has a brother-in-law. So her sister married this guy and he is very big in the fundamentalist world.
His name is David Waller and he is a senior pastor at the Fair Park Baptist Church. He writes a whole letter and that whole letter just goes on and on about how good of a person Josh Duggar is and why. Quote, it was Josh Duggar who offered to help me finish a large deck project for our in-laws giving...
His time and money during Christmas week to complete a large deck with a handicap accessible ramp. It was his generosity and personal initiative that designed the cable railing system for the deck to keep everyone safe and allow wheelchair access to the Keller's family's double wide trailer home.
He goes on to create like a laundry list of all the things Josh has helped with, including decorating this pastor's laundry room. I didn't know interior design is like a sign of virtue. Then he continues that he once went on a road trip with Josh and his family and one of Josh's kids were misbehaving. Quote, I listened as Josh Duggar stopped the vehicle,
took his little one aside privately and lovingly, and patiently talked with his child. I was in awe at the tone and love that he showed. On a number of occasions, I've been in Josh Duggar's home for an overnight visit.
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Chapter 6: How did the Duggar family respond to Joshua's arrest?
His victims are children, not you, a full-grown adult. And how helpful he is with the porch renovation will never offset the crimes that he committed against children. I just don't understand. The prosecutors have responded really critically of the character letters, stating that none of them, zero of them, addressed Josh's actual crimes or the victims.
May 25th, 2022, Joshua Duggar is sentenced to 151 months, 12 and a half years in federal prison, followed by 20 years of supervised release with the condition that he is not permitted to have unsupervised contact with minors, including his own children. He cannot have a computer and he definitely cannot have any explicit material on his computer of any kind, even the legal ones.
The judge even states, this is some sick stuff. After the conviction, Jim Bob and Michelle stayed too. I don't know who. Okay. The entire ordeal has been very grievous. Today, God's grace through the love and prayers of so many has sustained us. Our hearts and prayers are with anyone who has ever been harmed through CSAM.
In the days ahead, we will do all we can to surround our daughter-in-law Anna and her children with love and support. As parents, we will never stop praying for Joshua and loving him. As we do with all our children in each of life's circumstances, we place our trust in God. Thank you for your prayers. Who are you saying that to? It's just, it's blasphemous, okay?
A federal agent also says, possessing and viewing CSAM is not a victimless crime. Every time it's downloaded or shared, it perpetuates the trauma and re-victimizes the child. They're all acting like this is some victimless crime. In fact, they're acting like Joshua is the victim of the crime. And all while this is happening, Jim Bob randomly decides to run for the Arkansas State Senate.
He announces his run a few weeks before Josh's trial kickstarts, and he says, now more than ever, we need a bold voice that is pro-family, pro-business, pro-gun, and pro-life. It's time for conservatives to demand courageous leadership that puts Arkansas families' jobs and our constitutional liberties first. What in the world is happening?
Yeah, he also does his favorite thing that a lot of right-wing politicians and influencers do when they're caught up in actual federal crimes. Cancel culture and the radical left want to keep us from being involved in politics. No, we want that because your son is committing crimes against children. How's that pro-family or pro-life?
He says, I will not allow the liberal left, social media, or fake news to define me and my family. The liberals scream, it's my body, when they want to end the life of an unborn child, but would gladly force mandatory vaccines upon everyone without hesitation. So you think he ran just to... Nobody knows. Some people think he ran to take the news off of Joshua Duggar.
that this is even more shocking that he's running, that it'll diminish the shockability of the trial. Other people think that he just like doesn't care about any of his kids. I see. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. I think that he should go stuff his face with the tater tot casserole and stop being such a demonic presence in everybody's lives. But unsurprisingly, he loses. And the Duggar story continues.
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Chapter 7: What recent developments occurred with Joseph Duggar?
he ordered the center leadership staff to round some girls up to start cleaning. It was something that Gothard just wanted to see. He didn't care that I would come at night and industrially clean the carpet and get rid of all the stains. He wanted to see girls on their hands and knees scrubbing with rags and spoons. And I think that it was maybe a recruiting tactic.
I imagine very specific types of people would walk in with their wives and their children and think, now this is a good God-fearing church. This is the type of example I want to set in my family.
And the Duggar family were very, very close with Bill Gothard, and they followed his teachings quite literally to a T, such as Bill Gothard would state, when a young person listens to rock music, like a rock song, even a Christian rock song, they give Satan a little square in their soul. The soul is depicted like a chessboard, and you give up one of those squares to Satan.
He's playing chess with his soul and we're just trying to survive in this economy. He's also racist, in my opinion, okay? Jesus Christ, nobody is more cease and desist happy than a religious cult leader. But I feel he is racist and that's why he hates rock music.
His teachings read, to the delinquency of minors, the characteristic offbeat in today's rock music has been traced to the satanic rituals in the jungles of West Africa. It was this type of drum beat which certain tribe members were specifically trained for in order to open the people to demonic control. So you can't listen to rock music, but you also can't be a whore.
And Bill Gothard's definition of a whore is showing a shoulder. If any sort of assault or bad thing happens to a woman, it's because a woman was showing a shoulder and leading men astray. But is being pedophile okay with him? That is natural curiosity, my friend. Just kidding. I'm trying to get another one.
Okay, one leader of the IBLP teaching states, the problem is that men have a problem with their eyes. The solution is to avoid eye traps. The shorter the skirt, the more vicious the trap. So the solution, right? If you were to tell me that all men have a problem with their eyes, which is not what I'm saying at all, but if that were the case,
then the most logical solution would be to blindfold all men or gouge out their eyes. That would make more sense in her logic, if that's the real problem. But instead, she says it's the women's fault. They have in the wisdom booklet, which is their teachings, pictures of women wearing various different outfits, and people are forced to ask, can you identify the eye traps in these pictures?
What could you do to alter them? But maybe it's not what you're wearing. Maybe it's that little eye twitch thing you do. Like, you know, the spasm of the muscle in the eye. But they consider that winking. And only whores wink. Yeah, you can't wink. It's a very whorish thing to do. And quote, those who falter her whoredom are stripped of resources and vibrancy of life.
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Chapter 8: How are the Duggar family dynamics affected by these arrests?
And what do whores get? Crabs. Crabs. Quote, the public lice often called the crab is only one of several parasites which can be transmitted through immorality. I mean, the logic is sound if you have the genetic makeup of a russet potato. They've also said some other controversial things such as, the abortions in America right now, there is currently a baby holocaust.
Bill Gothard states, the one who has made porn popular in America has done more damage to America than 100 Hitlers. Ginger Duggar has since left IBLP and denounced Bill Gothard's teachings. And she says, I remember a story of being told to me of a young man who died in a car accident because he was listening to rock music. And somebody in the car turned on even Christian music with drums.
And I would think like, we're going to die for sure. We're going to get into a car accident and we're going to die. And I would be shaking in the backseat crying. Jill says that whenever she wore pants, that was seen as a small act of independence and quote, anyone who is making decisions for themselves that the parents don't give their blessing, that is seen as rebellious.
One former member of the IBLP says, girls were taught that boys were almost unable to control their lust. It was our responsibility to help them control it by dressing modestly. And if we didn't, we just got what we had coming to us. One victim of IBLP says that when a man shows up in your life and decides he wants you, it's not up to you to say no.
If you don't want him back, you have to come to terms with it because this is truly what God wants for you. Dangerously, the wisdom booklet teaches that in the event of unfaithfulness in the marriage, quote, allow for divorce and or remarriage is basically destroying someone's relationship with Christ and the church. An article on the IBLP's website reads, serve and appeal to your husband.
And it gives these like short biblical references, but it reads, you must ask God for a plan on how you can serve your king in order to gain his heart and present your appeal. They talk about a woman named Esther from the book. It was from the place of service that Esther was able to make her appeal. As she served the king, she gained his attention. He was now ready to listen to her heart.
And whoever is writing this article is a woman and she writes, this area is a challenge for me. I tend to serve my children before my husband. To be honest, most of the time I'm so busy that my home becomes like a self-service gas station for everyone, which isn't good. Once again, ask the Lord what you can do to serve your husband as Esther did.
Ladies, fast, pray, cry out to the Lord, surrender to him, and serve your husband. Now, the mind-boggling aspect of this is it's written under an article focusing on what to do if your husband is not sorry for having an affair. What? Whoa. Or in IBLP speak, quote, what can I do if my husband is not repentant over moral failure?
I mean, clearly, this is not a safe space for a woman with one former member saying, there was never, hey, what do you want? It was always God wants this, and if you don't like it, you need to submit and be broken. People ask me why I stayed. I was isolated with no one to help me leave. I was brainwashed into believing God would hurt me if I didn't do everything I was told to do. And...
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