This is the first time they have seen each other since their break up in 2018. Over 6 years. And now they’re going to be on opposite sides of the courtroom - she’s going to be up on the stand testifying against him. Detailing all the things she didn’t want to do. The urination. The inflatable pool in the middle of a hotel room filled to the brim with baby oil. The seedy green “adult activity” club in Las Vegas. Even breaking up with Kid Cudi. And he will sit there and listen for 2 days straight while she tells the jurors about the injuries he gave her. How he stomped on her face and blackmailed her with explicit videos. All their private messages, photos, and emails will be shown to the court. This is the testimony of Cassie Ventura against Sean Diddy Combs and the reactions of her, her husband, and Sean Combs in the courtroom. Full show notes at rottenmangopodcast.com
Chapter 1: What are the courtroom dynamics surrounding Cassie's testimony?
Sometimes there's a lot that happens when the jurors are not in the courtroom, like the fact that there is a fight to decide whether or not Cassie can have her husband in the courtroom being her emotional support. The defense attorney, Anna Estiveo, says, We understand Ms. Ventura's husband, Alex Fine, may be present in the courtroom, and we expect him to be a potential defense witness.
So we would ask that he be excluded. Which makes sense if he's also going to be on the witness stand. He should not be listening to another witness who also happens to be his wife and the mother of his soon-to-be three children. That makes sense. However, Prosecutor Emily Johnson states more or less, no, that doesn't make sense at all. We were advised of this approximately 10 minutes ago.
He's not included on the defense witness list. Ms. Ventura's husband is here with his family to support his wife and testify publicly. We had, under the CVRA, she has the right to be treated with dignity and privacy, and she would like support in this courtroom as she testifies. To which lead defense attorney, Tenny Garagos, even states, if I could just elaborate.
What we have given the government is the witness list for our case in chief. The reasons are important because at this time, we can't really tell your honor who we know we would call. At this time, we can't say who definitely would call. And we certainly, the judge asks, wait, why wasn't this raised before this morning when he's here with his entire family inside this courthouse?
Wait, so he's already in the courthouse and they're debating to kick him out?
Yes, he's in the courthouse waiting to come into the courtroom when Cassie comes in to testify. Cassie's brother is here, so is her cousin. Your Honor, I apologize. I brought this up to Ms. Comey, but not Ms. Johnson yesterday. This is my fault. And then I didn't follow up on it last night. I apologize. We're not looking to not have her have her support people.
Her brother is here, who was around all the while in their relationship, and we have our application, Your Honor, is that Ms. Ventura's husband not be in the courtroom under Rule 615. Rule 615 is basically the don't be listening if you're going to talk rule.
The rule provides courts with the authority to exclude witnesses from the courtroom to prevent them from hearing other witnesses' testimonies. I mean, the whole point being it's to prevent witnesses from tailoring their testimony based on what they hear from other witnesses.
So, for example, if everybody saw the defendant, this is not about Combs, just like a hypothetical defendant, if they saw him kick a koala, then it would be unfair for the group of people to hear each other testify about how he kicked them, what he said after he kicked the koala, and then they all testify in a row.
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Chapter 2: Why was Cassie's husband, Alex Fine, debated in court?
Really? Was Alex aware of that glare?
I don't think so. But it was a really long glare. Just so intense. And with that, there are a lot of things that have gone viral now with the direct questioning or the direct examination by Prosecutor Johnson. So she's standing at the podium. Ms. Ventura, do you recognize who is depicted in Government Exhibit 2A-501? Yes. Who is it? Scott Mescady, or Kid Cudi as people know him. We dated in 2011.
We worked together for a brief period. Cassie says that when they were dating in 2011, she did not tell Sean Combs, but he did find out. How did he find out? He actually found out during a freak off in LA. He went through my phone and I believe he saw emails between me and one of Scott's staff members. It was about bringing my toiletry bag to my house or something like that the next day.
What was his reaction after he saw those emails? I just remember him putting like a wine bottle opener between his fingers and like lunging at me. His eyes were blacked out, super angry, and I just had to get out of there. It was actually another time that I was able to get out of a freak-off.
She runs away to another hotel, gets her burner phone, so she's got a burner phone so that she can call Scott. Eventually, he picks her up. She's saying, this whole situation is not going to be resolved if I just keep running away. She's like, I gotta go and just explain to Sean what's going on. Like, We were on a break. Maybe we're moving on. Maybe we're all moving on.
And it's not like he's not seeing other people. She says, when I arrived at his house, that was the house where his bedroom was on the top floor. It's this massive mansion in LA. So I went into his room and he was irate. He was just so angry. And when I was in the room, he told me about the videos that he had that he was going to release of me and how he was going to hurt Scott and I. So...
That was all said there, and then I just ultimately left. When I was leaving, I was more than ready to go. He, Sean, kicked me in the back on my way out, so I just had a big bruise on my back. I fell to the floor and, yeah, then left. I had a large bruise on my back. The day is fuzzy, but... I had bruises in other places on my body.
I just remember that one significantly because he literally kicked me with the bottom of his foot in my back. When she goes back to the hotel room, it is trashed. She doesn't know, but it seems like allegedly that one of Sean Combs' guards, maybe himself, maybe one of his accomplices, I don't know, trashed the hotel room. She says, it was just torn up.
There was, somebody peed all over the floor in the bathroom. My clothes were everywhere. All the furniture was overturned, like turned upside down. Somebody pooped in the toilet and didn't flush it. It was just gross. So she gets another hotel room with Scott. And that's when she sends an email to her mom and Scott, just in case, as a record. It reads, threats.
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Chapter 3: What shocking messages did Alex Fine send Sean Combs?
It's unclear, but it seems like he's stating a video was recorded of this supposed encounter and he turns it in, but he also states, They gave it back to me accidentally. And it's possible that I threw everything out. But it's also possible that I could produce a copy. I'm not sure.
Basically, what happened is the Ciroc agenda, you know, the Ciroc vodka agenda is to promote binge drinking and drugs. The hip hop agenda. That's why they had Tupac killed. Because when they killed him, they gained pain. That's when the record sales go up. That's how you become famous. That's how you do it, all right? Tupac is still alive. He's in Cuba.
Basically, what happens, it was in the hip hop agenda.
What?
He alleges in more simplified terms, they move drugs all over the United States. They move drugs in private jets that don't get screened within the United States domestically. They move all that dope in the private jets. They move what's called high grade powder MDMA. They move cocaine. They move liquid cocaine in their bottles, too.
I've seen the liquid cocaine on track of myself. Having sex with Gideon Cassie. Okay, it's not good. He drinks it all the time. Or I call it Gigi, but it's liquid cocaine.
Many state it sounds like an interrogation that one would watch to study for psychology class. And to be frank, there's many parts of the interrogation that sounds like the unhinged ramblings of someone who has lost touch with reality and has gotten swept up in every internet conspiracy possible. Perhaps he created a whole fantasy of two high-profile A-list celebrities.
And in his mind, he truly knows them. He's met them. He's had these encounters with them. But it's all a fantasy, right? It doesn't change the fact that he committed this crazy crime. And it does appear that most of what he's saying are full-blown conspiracies, we hope. But the question is, what if there's even a little bit of truth to what he's saying?
And now Cassie has just confirmed that they know each other. He recently did an interview with News Nation from a Miami jail, by the way. He says, I felt bad because I got along well with Cassie. I think she's a decent person. And unfortunately, I had a suspicion that she was in a situation that, You know, but I wasn't sure.
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