SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1114 Personalized Video Adtech Company Hits $60m TTM Revenues
12 Aug 2018
Chapter 1: What is the background of the guest and their company?
It's great to start a company. He would have done it earlier. He's growing this one, quickly launched it many years ago in 2013. They've raised about 60 million bucks, again, customizing video. They've got 115 people based mainly in New York, paying them on average 300 to 600 grand per year. They're doing about 60 million over the past 12 months.
Obviously a big chunk of that is media spend, but Oren says also a big chunk is just headcount. They put a lot of effort in terms of personalization on each of their customers. This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn.
Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs.
We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers.
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Chapter 2: How has Eyeview achieved significant growth in revenue?
With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest-growing business show on iTunes. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Oren Harnabo. He's the founder and CEO of a company called iView. He's been a pioneer in video creative and advertising technology spaces.
He's a recognized leader, published in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, and many others, and the company is ranked the ninth fastest-growing company in America. He holds degrees in computer science and film, played professional baseball, runs triathlons, performed stand-up in New York City, and served in Israeli's Special Forces. All right, are you ready to take us to the top? Sure.
All right, so you said iViews ranked the ninth-growing, fastest-growing company in America. Says who? How's that found out, figured out?
Deloitte has this annual, it's kind of an annual, it's not really a competition. They just rank.
Chapter 3: What strategies does Eyeview use for video ad personalization?
from all their portfolio companies and everyone, they have access to the top 50. So the fast growing, you know, 50 in America. And in 2016, I think we're, or 17, we're ranked ninth. And it's actually second fastest growing in New York.
And what's that based off though? Is it, do they take your revenue? Okay. So what was your revenue?
What was the growth years? They do four years growth. And I think we grew from like, you know, 200,000 to like 40 million in, uh, kind of four or five years. So that's, that's hence the growth.
So you did, you did 30 million over the past 12 in 2017 total?
Uh, no, that was between 2000 and
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Chapter 4: How does Eyeview differentiate itself from competitors?
to 2015 we're about double that now okay so so just to be clear you you're doing about 60 million in 27 that's your current run rate and you're about doubling year over year and the reason you were ranked where you were in deloitte was they took four years of growth yeah okay well listen i will never bet against an ex-israeli special forces ceo they always are killing it so tell us about iview what do you do and how do you make money
So what we do is we personalize video advertising. What that means is we're able to work with a client, understand who's their audience, take their data about who's been buying their product, who's been interested in their product. take all their product, you know, let's take a Home Depot, for example, who's been there, what have they been buying? Let's say someone goes out and buys a drill.
We took all the product lists, all their stores, and instead of having this one TV ad goes to the whole country, we'll create hundreds of thousands of different variables ads. For example, if that person lives in New York and has bought a drill, then we'll tell them a story on how Home Depot is the right
is going to help them decorate their apartment and how we have drill bits on sale for $6.99, and they should come check out the branch in 23rd and 6th. So it's a very personalized, localized, and high-quality video ads.
We had back a couple episodes ago, and I forget his name, but the AdGreets CEO on, I think his name is Eric Frankel. It sounds like you kind of compete with him, huh?
No, I don't think so at all. I didn't hear about that, but this is just video that's being served. Um, as a pre-roll, you know, on YouTube, before you see a video, you see an ad before or on Facebook or TV. Um, I don't know what ad reads is, but I don't know.
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Chapter 5: What is the company's revenue model and how does it generate income?
I'm trying to dial in on what you're doing. So, so what they're doing, they're working at super high ACVs, like quarter million annually, plus working with like the Fords of the world. And what they'll do is they'll record one video, but then when it goes down to somebody in Austin, Texas, it'll change, uh,
the location tagged Austin, Texas, and they'll say, you know, for Nathan in Austin, Texas, you like your name, that kind of personalization at scale. Are you doing that or no?
Uh, we're not naming people by name. It's more like a TV style ads. Um, same concept of video personalization, but I think it's just different budgets, different execution.
Okay. And give me a sense kind of of the kinds of customers you're serving in terms of like on average what they pay you per year. Are we talking a grand, a million, a hundred thousand? What's your average ACV?
300,000 to 800,000, kind of a wide gap depending on the size of the clients. These are ad budgets, so they're quite large.
So just to be clear, is this a SaaS model and that's a fee they're paying you annually or this is just ad spend you're processing for them?
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Chapter 6: What challenges does Eyeview face in the ad tech market?
No, this is ad spend.
Okay, so you're not a SaaS business? No. Okay, so you're in charge of the creative. You're also in charge of actually placing and finding where to place the ads inside of what YouTube targeted list, things like that?
Yeah, yeah. The main technology is in the personalization, so we can drive it where we create the placement. If the brand wants to place it on Facebook, they can place it and we'll do the creative. So it's very flexible to what the brand really likes. What we focus on is how do we prove that the creative itself, just by personalizing it, is increasing sales at the store or online.
So we literally connect the exposes and unexposed, people that see the ad versus people that hasn't, how many more times they come to the site, how many more times they go to the store, and how much they're spending so we can really attribute a return on ad spend. So you pay us a buck, we show you three, four, five bucks back in sales.
Yep. And Oren, how do you guys make money? In other words, if I pay you 500 grand to process through your system, I imagine most of that is you're managing and actually paying YouTube for the placement.
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Chapter 7: How does Eyeview measure the effectiveness of its advertising?
How do you make money? What's your cut?
Some of it. I mean, some of it is placement. Sometimes we don't do the placement. So from that budget, we take a certain portion of it to our services, our creative services, payment management service, analytics service, kind of the whole.
What is that generally though? Are we talking 10% of the 500 grand or 50%?
We're not transparent on our costs. Cause it's just, it's like when you buy a, you know, Kellogg's, they're not giving you the list of how much you're paying for the nuts and, uh, you know, the flakes and the sugar. Like we provide a full return on ad spend solution. So you give us half a million, we'll show you $3 million back in sales and how we, how we, have our costs.
It's not, it's not a public thing.
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Chapter 8: What future goals does Eyeview have for profitability and market expansion?
The reason I'm asking though, is people, I have a lot of the top CEOs on the show, you know, doing 250, 300, 400 million a year and things, and they have huge ad budgets and the big complaints, they hate this ad tax, right?
There's folks like you that are not transparent with their costs and they don't know when they put like a dollar through the system, how much is actually going towards placement, even if the return is great, no matter what. So how do you deal with that in your sales process?
Yeah. No, it's a good question. It's definitely a challenge. We can be transparent and charge only a tech fee. So some clients prefer that. If we were on Facebook, then it is transparent and we don't do the placement. So clients can buy us any way they want. I think when we do charge a non-transparent fee, it enables us to do a lot more labor and a lot more work.
When it's more transparent and the industry standard is anywhere between 10% to 20%, And most companies, when they drive to take such a small percentage, really provide a very small service because that 10% is not a lot at all. So most media buying companies, to your point, would just take an ad and place it somewhere, and then they can take 10%, 20%. But we add creative services on top.
We pay all the data and performance vendors. We create all the tons of creatives. And we take the hit if we don't make the performance and we'll guarantee a performance and keep on running until we get them the result. So it fits some brands. Great. Some don't. Sometimes we'll just provide a tech fee and it's going to be like, you know, percent CPM to the 10, 20% that you were talking about.
Set in a simple sentence, you're not, you're charging more than 20%, but your clients are happy to pay that because you're adding significantly more value and you're still guaranteeing a return. Is that accurate? Yeah, no, that's perfect. Okay, great. Tell me more about the backstory here. So what year did you launch the company in?
I launched it, I mean, we went through a lot of pivots along the way. I probably started my own consulting service. I thought that I could do this whole thing myself in 2007 and just went knocking on brands and started selling day one.
um after about a year of getting i think i got like a few tens of thousands of revenue and i learned all the different softwares i'm like all right i got some revenue and i don't think i can do all of this myself so uh i joined with another co-founder um that um knew a lot more about sales than me and then i got a cto and then
Probably 2008, 2009, we realized, all right, we're a startup company and we actually have a big mission to provide personalization everywhere. We started at the publisher side. So in the beginning, we went to clients like eBay and said, hey, why don't we make a video for every type of product you have? So we sold this personalization in their website.
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