SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1371 Gmail Helpdesk About to Close $4m Round on $20m Pre with $1.4m in ARR
26 Apr 2019
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, everyone. My guest today is Neeraj Ranjan Raut. He started his company, Hiver, in late 2011, and over the past seven years have virtually bootstrapped it to $1.5 million in ARR. Their MRR grew 60% in the last five months, and they're now growing 10% month over month, announcing their Series A soon. Neeraj, are you ready to take us to the top? Let's get started, Nathan. All right.
What is Hiver, and how do you guys make money?
So Hiver is basically a tool that lets teams manage emails coming into a shared email account, like support at your company.com or info at your company.com, right? So, you know, let's say you are a team of say five to 10 people that basically handles that emails that come into a shared email account.
You'd want to delegate emails, keep track of who's doing what, look into analytics of, you know, how you're doing, you know, where we are and what needs to be done and, you know, how your team is performing, right? We basically let you do that right from your Gmail account.
Interesting. So this is kind of, there's other companies like Front App, which kind of do something similar to this, but it's in their own interface, not inside of Gmail.
Absolutely. So think of us like Front or Zendesk to some extent, or Freshdesk to some extent, right inside your Gmail account.
Interesting. Okay. And walk me through numbers. So what's your monthly recurring revenue today?
So yeah, we are at $115,000 in MRR right now.
Okay, $115,000 you said?
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Chapter 2: What is Hiver and how does it generate revenue?
$115,000. Okay, so you're doing about $1.4 million in ARR right now? Yeah. That's great. Now you've bootstrapped today, but you're getting ready to announce a Series A?
Yeah, we did not actually accurately bootstrap. So we raised around $175,000 through angels back in 2012 or so. And then we bootstrapped it. We're a small team. We just kept growing it. And we went through a couple of pivots on the product too. And then we have basically brought it to $1.5 million in ARR. And now we are going to announce our Series A next month.
And so how much are you raising the Series A?
So the Series A is close to $4 million.
Okay, you're raising $4 million? Yeah. Got it. And are you raising mostly in India or folks back in the States? How's that working?
So they are venture investors in India. In India, okay.
And what is it? So are you getting terms that are similar to the U.S.? Or like, is it on a safe note or is it equity or what?
It's an equity note. You know, it's an equity pretty much like what a typical series in the U.S. would look like.
Got it. And what valuation are you raising at?
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Chapter 3: What is the current monthly recurring revenue for Hiver?
Put all this in on timeline for me. When did you launch the company?
So, yeah, so the company was launched around the middle of 2011. Okay. And we were a small four to five people team for the largest part of our existence. Okay. And it was a very different product when we launched. And we actually went through two iterations on the product before we came to this sometime in early 2017.
Okay. And what are you at today? How many teammates?
We are 36 people now.
36 people. Everyone based in Bangalore? Absolutely.
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Chapter 4: How did Hiver bootstrap its growth to $1.5 million in ARR?
Okay. Wow. So 36 people and cashflow positive or no? Yeah, we are cashflow positive. Okay. So cashflow positive today. And you mentioned... Yeah. Okay. So about breakeven. Yeah. What, what is growth? So today you're doing 115 grand a month. What were you doing a year ago in August, 2017?
So, yeah, as I mentioned, right. I mean, we really accelerated in the last, uh, you know, uh, six months or so. Uh, the product was very different earlier and it took some time for us to, you know, really build it out to the point where it is and mature it. Right. So six months back we were at, you know, 55 to $60,000 in MRR only.
Give me what you're at though. 12 months ago.
months ago would have been you know we're growing pretty slow earlier so we would have been at around 45 to 50k 45 000 bucks okay that's great so good growth you've more than you almost tripled uh kind of year over year which is great and what's total customer count today how many paying customers so we are uh approximately thousand customers yeah very very good one thousand thousand customers yeah and what do they pay on average per month
So on an average, our average revenue per customer would be around $150 to $160.
Yep, yep. Or if I take $115,000 per month divided by $1,000, they each pay about $115 per month right now.
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Chapter 5: How much is Hiver raising in their upcoming Series A?
Yeah, yeah, approximately. And what are they getting for that? Is it a number of seats, feature sets, team size? What is it?
Yeah, so it's basically... So we have three plans. And on an average, the customers which we have acquired recently would be paying... $22, $23 per seat, right? So an average account is usually six to seven seats.
And what does churn look like today?
So we have a net negative MRR churn, of course. So our net MRR churn is around minus 2.5% at this point in time.
Sorry, so net negative revenue churn of negative 2%?
Minus 2.5%, yeah.
Yeah, that's great. And what about logo churn?
Logo churn would be at around 2% per month.
2% per month. Gross or net? Gross. Okay, that's great. And what have you done? So at this price point, you know, getting churn that low is pretty impressive. What have you done to drive churn down?
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Chapter 6: What are the terms of Hiver's Series A funding?
An average user would have 25 to 30 interactions with the product in terms of what they're doing with it every day. So very sticky. People, once they get used to it, it's hard for them to move out. So I think most of the churn actually happens in the first three months. But if you can get people through the first three to four months, they tend to stick and basically grow with the product.
And what about customer acquisition cost? Walk me through how you're driving all this growth and what do you pay to acquire a new customer?
So almost all of it is organic. First of all, we do pretty well on some very high intent, low traffic, high intent keywords. If you search for shared inbox or if you look for a way to do customer support out of Gmail, if you search for any combination of Gmail and Help Desk, for example, you'll find us very, very easily.
So, you know, I think we are acquiring 80 to 90% of our customers free of cost, you know, through organic search, right? And the rest is actually coming through AdWords. We have a small $8,000 to $9,000 per month in AdWords spend, which is, you know, driving some of our acquisition.
So again, what's the CAC on the paid channels?
Okay, so, you know, our average blended CAC, you know, as you would say, across organic and, you know, paid would be around $450 to acquire a single logo.
Okay, and so what payback period there is four or five months?
This is, yeah, yeah, of course.
Something like that. Where is most of the money you're about to raise? Where are you going to spend it?
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