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1412 Passed $12m in ARR, Banks Use This API To Decrease Currency Risk
06 Jun 2019
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Market Factory founded in 2008. Think of it like APIs for banks, fund managers, and brokers to help them decrease their currency risk. They're currently working about 30 clients doing about 12 million bucks in ARR, about a million bucks a month. That's up 30% year over year, going back 12 months from today. $7.1 million raised, team of about 36 people based between New York and London.
Healthy economics, 125% net revenue retention annually, spending four to six months of first year ACV on acquiring that customer, mainly going towards their salespeople and other channels. Lifetime value in the millions of dollars. This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn.
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We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Darren Jerr.
He co-founded Market Factory in 2008 with a vision of providing clean, fast code to the FX market and is currently CEO. Before founding Market Factory, he led sales and operations in the financial services markets for over a decade. Darren was head of new business sales Americas for EBS, ICAP, and before that, he was sales executive for IBM Wall Street Accounts.
Darren, are you ready to take us to the top? let's do it all right very good so give us a quick overview what does market factory do and what's your revenue model how do you make money So every time you go on eBay or Amazon and you buy something from a seller in Europe or in Asia, right, there's a foreign exchange transaction, right?
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Chapter 2: How does MarketFactory help banks decrease currency risk?
So someone made your rate, you know, it's, you know, 10 euros, 20 euros, whatever it is, it goes to a bank and those positions build up to hundreds of millions of dollars per day, per hour, billions in fact. And at a certain point, these banks in the world, they need to trade it with each other. They need to get rid of risk, right? So if, you know, US banks are always long dollars.
They basically have, if they have too much of one thing or the other, they have to trade it with European banks, Asian banks. If you trade stocks, there's probably three major exchanges, New York Stock Exchange, NASDAQ, and some others in the US. But if you trade currencies, it's a very global market.
It's almost like Napster for trading, which is every single bank, every single exchange, even hedge funds across the world, they trade euros with dollars with yen with Swiss every second of the day. And there are no breaks, right? Basically, even when it's Christmas here, Asians are trading because it's a workday for them. Um, it's a 20, it's a truly 24 seven market.
So what we do is we provide an API technology that helps. Sorry, you're saying like the stock market is 24 seven or the currency market is 24 seven currency markets 24 seven. So then why did you, you said earlier that these banks will actually build up these positions and that's risky over days or hours or weeks, but why would they be building up a position if it's instant?
Um, so they are, they're basically trading with customers constantly, right? Via, via electronic. Basically you can trade you, you know, like if you do a foreign exchange transaction with your bank, you know, they'll do it on a weekend. They'll do it on a weekday. They'll do it whenever with you and they carry the risk for them.
So imagine if you do like a European transaction and something big happens in Europe and the price of Euro drops while they're holding that risk, right? Why though? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I thought they wouldn't, they wouldn't convert that instantly. Um, for you and I, and for certain corporates, um, they don't convert it instantly.
No, they basically hold on to it because in general, they're making us a rate at which they can earn money and, and basically afford their, their pricing and the risk, right. Of all these countries into their price. So they're making money on that. You know, you don't, don't worry about the banks. They know what they're doing. I understand that. I'm trying to understand where you fit into this.
So where do you fit in? So imagine an extremely fragmented peer-to-peer market, and that's what global foreign exchange is, right? Until there is a world government, it's very difficult. It's a very lightly regulated market. There's no way to basically have a world police that says, hey, look, we're just going to have three major exchanges.
Euros are traded on this, dollars on this, Swiss on this, right? Essentially, it's all peer-to-peer. And if it's peer-to-peer, that means in our age of Michael Lewis's Flash Boys, where trading is mostly done 60% by computers, the computers need to talk to each other. And they talk to each other using APIs.
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Chapter 3: What is the revenue model of MarketFactory?
So then I can, I mean, I can back into minimum there in terms of monthly recurring revenue. If you've got 30 enterprise accounts with an average ASP of 400 grand, you know, that's 33 grand per month. I mean, that puts you at about a million bucks in monthly recurring revenue. Is that accurate?
Yeah.
Okay. Very good. And is it, do you, you know, with a lot of these things that are usage based or things like this, you'll see seasonal functionality. Do you have kind of bumps based off seasons or no, it's pretty flat. It's truly predictable revenue. Um, seasonal bumps in usage or in terms of the sales cycle? No, I'm talking specifically usage. Usage. Okay.
Our seasonal usage would be economic events such as monthly non-farm payrolls, right? Or the Fed or Bank of England, you know, changing interest rates. So those are our super bowls, right? On a monthly or ad hoc basis. Okay. And that's when our system has to be ready to basically handle a huge surge in trading volume. Yeah, so Super Bowls are great for you. Those three or four you just described.
During the down, when there's not a Super Bowl event though, does it impact your revenue retention or anything like that or no? Right. No. So because we're purely subscription and it's a good question that you asked because the Super Bowl events are when our customers make a ton of money. Right. Or just are doing a ton of trading. But it doesn't affect our revenues at all.
Our job is to provide, you know, we're paid in subscription anyways. We don't have any upside for more trading or low trading or downside for low trading. Sure, sure, sure. But I mean, there's a lot of people that are priced against something that's not the actual value utility metric.
So I'm saying, let's say renewals coming up next month and you're on the phone with one of your banks and they say, Hey, listen, Darren, we love, we've loved your product. It's been amazing. It's really helped us de-risk really these currency exchanges. However, we only really used it hardcore three times last year during these Super Bowls. We don't know if we can renew.
If that, like, how do you manage those kinds of conversations? So their usage is constant because we do two things, right? We subscribe to all the exchanges and clean up the market data that is kind of the lifeblood of all their systems.
So they need prices from the wholesale market to basically input into their pricing engines to price corporates, large corporates like HP and Apple down to mom and pop corporates. you know, individual consumers at ATMs, you know, you doing a high net worth transaction because you just sold the company in a different currency and have to repay for it, right?
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Chapter 4: How does MarketFactory's pricing structure work?
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But the day-to-day thing that keeps me sane is this thing called Boomerang, where it like bounces back your email to you after two days or just, it's great for helping with follow-up. Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? Six to seven on the weekdays. Hopefully, you know, eight plus on the weekends. And what's your situation? Married, single, kiddos?
Single, working on marriage. Working, are you engaged? No, no, no. Okay, good. I'm dating, yeah. Good stuff. Gotta work in the personal life as a huge priority, so. Nice. And how old are you, Darren? I'm 44. 44. Last question. What do you wish your 20-year-old self knew? Go slow so you can get it right. Go slow so you can go faster. Guys, there you have it. Market Factory founded in 2008.
Think of it like APIs for banks, fund managers, and brokers to help them decrease their currency risk. They're currently working about 30 clients doing about 12 million bucks in ARR. about a million bucks a month. That's up 30% year over year, going back 12 months from today. $7.1 million raised, team of about 36 people based between New York and London.
Healthy economics, 125% net revenue retention annually, spending four to six months of first year ACV on acquiring that customer, mainly going towards their salespeople and other channels. Lifetime value in the millions of dollars. Darren, thank you for taking us to the top.
Thank you, Nathan.
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