SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1572 How This CEO Plans to be IPO Ready in 2 Years
13 Nov 2019
Chapter 1: What is ThousandEyes and how did it start?
founded 2010 on a very small grant now 250 people thousandizing and helping teams really network teams make really what's invisible visible so they can go attack the right problems whether it's website loading time a cyber security use case or other things they have over 500 customers paying caught on average $100,000 acv net revenue retention world class in the 130 ish 140 percent range with an eye to the being ipo ready in the next two to two and a half years
Hello, everybody. My guest today is Mohit Lad. He runs a company called Thousand Eyes, which empowers businesses to see, understand and improve connected experiences everywhere. The cloud platform offers unmatched vantage points through the global Internet and provides immediate visibility and experience for every user and application over any network. So companies can deliver superior
digital experiences the company is central to the global war operations of the world's largest and fastest growing brands including comcast ebay hp 100 of the global 2060 of the fortune 500 along with five of the six top u.s banks and 20 of the 25 top sas companies mohit are you ready to take us to the top uh yeah i am look forward to it it's pretty it's pretty remarkable this all this all started with what a million dollar grant that you got in small chunks huh yeah so it actually started with a 150k grant that was from the national science foundation
And we chose it out of building the company based on really building a first version of the product and taking it to market versus raising venture money. So that grant over a period of time over the next two years totaled about a million dollars. But yeah, small start.
Chapter 2: How does ThousandEyes help businesses improve digital experiences?
Well, that's right. And what year was that? When did you launch?
So this was 2010. So we started the company officially in 2010 and we launched the product in 2013. But We started selling it from early 2011 and we're just sort of acquiring customers, making sure we really understand what what are the problems we're solving for the customers and then working on from there.
Yeah. So give us a good example here so people can really wrap their head around what you do, because you obviously touch a lot of big brands. But what do you specifically do for, say, one of the top six U.S.
Chapter 3: What unique challenges do large enterprises face in digital performance?
banks?
Yeah. So we really help people understand how the Internet works and how it's affecting digital experience. And so there's several examples of how we help. But the one example that resonates a lot with folks is if you have an online asset, let's say you're a banking site that you're reaching your consumer users that are all over the world.
And you're relying on this public best effort Internet to actually reach them. And we help them. help our brands really have this Google Maps-like view of what the red is and how can they actually route around it. So you would be still able to get a great amount of reachability to your user base. So that's one use case.
Chapter 4: How does ThousandEyes assist in identifying and solving internet-related issues?
And the same technology also works when you are a large enterprise organization and you're going to cloud-based applications like Office 365 and Salesforce and all these apps that are outside because you're still dependent on this internet. which is outside your four walls as a network.
So we're really helping people understand these complex environments and help them run their business and ensure the best digital experience for their customers.
And so what's an action someone might take once they start using you? You make the invisible visible. They see red spots. What do they do to correct the red spots?
So oftentimes the most basic things people get into when there is an issue is gathering 10 teams, the app team, the server team, the network team, the infrastructure team, and nobody knows what's going on. So just the starting point of where do we even start to look at where the problem is, is really important.
So one of the first things we do is let them have a very clear understanding of the application is fine. The servers are fine. The network is a problem. So the rest of the guys can go. Now the network team, it's not your network, it's the internet. So, okay, now that we know that it's the internet, which part of the internet, and then you can understand How do you fix it?
So, for example, most online businesses would have multiple providers that they use at their data centers. And once they know where the issue is, they can move traffic away from one, move it towards another. If you're using a CDN and one of the areas that the CDN has is problematic, then you again...
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of customer retention rates for ThousandEyes?
help them understand what needs to be fixed.
So if a company has a highly trafficked pricing page and they want to knock a couple of milliseconds off the load time, because that'll increase conversions by 3%, they might use you to figure out how to get those milliseconds back.
Yeah, correct. And like your application in your data center might be really fast. But when it's transiting over the Internet, especially as it goes to regions like Asia and Africa and so on, the user experience can be really bad because you're covering large distances over public environments.
And once you know what paths people are taking, you can start to make the experience better by optimizing around it.
interesting okay and give me a general sense here i know you probably have tons of different customer stories but i'm going to try and force you into an average just because we're short on time i mean are we talking average acvs here in like 10 grand 100 grand a million 10 million generally where do you play yeah so we we want we're a private company so we don't share financials but we have a ton of customers that are anywhere from the 100k range to a few million dollars in annual spends okay so these are it's it's really important
to be connected to your customers as, as a consumer brand, as well as to provide a continuous, highly productive environment for employees. And so from a standpoint of the risk and the importance of the internet, this is a big deal.
Yeah. So I want, I want to talk more about that, but let me, in terms of security and things of that nature, but first color the team for me, what's the team size today? The company. Yeah.
Yeah, so we're about closing to 250 employees now. And we're headquartered in San Francisco, offices in Austin, London, New York, Japan as well. And growing head of face, past face, including a recent office in Dublin.
That's great. So of the 250 people, walk me through your sales machine. So SDRs, AEs, customer success, what's the ratio between all of them?
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Chapter 6: How does the team structure at ThousandEyes support customer success?
decouple a certain set of functions. For example, we have a customer support function that engages a lot with customers, and they would be also helping sometimes in a POC if there's a certain element of integration working and so on. But I would say the sales team at this point, if I combine everybody on the sales side, including SDRs and so on, would be somewhere in the 70 to 100 range.
Okay, 70 folks there. And then, you know, a big debate right now with, you know, CEOs I interview that are doing anywhere between 60 and 200 million bucks in ARR. The customer success role is really important to drive expansion revenue, but people have tons of different models in terms of incentive structure. Some of them are quota carrying, some are not, some it's like a pool bonus.
How do you generally incentivize your customer success team?
Yeah, so customer success means different things in different companies. For us, customer success team is It's actually more of a technical team that solve issues. So they're not the team that's renewing customer accounts. They actually engage with the customers to drive adoption to make sure that the customers really understand how to use, get the most out of the platform. We actually accept
we built that looks into taking care of renewals. And that also is responsible to make sure that they're quarterbacking any kind of coordination and so on. And that team, you would incentivize them based on a renewals target, which is fairly standard on the SaaS side of the world.
Is that the AE that initially closed the deal that stays with the account or there is a pass off?
No, so we don't pass off entirely because we work with enterprise customers and all our customers continue to grow. So we need an ongoing relationship, but we would add a team to the team that would close the account. But then we would have an account management team that would add on to it and they would be the quarterback for the relationship while the sales team will continue to engage.
And look, our sales team is not transactional where they will disengage if there is no deal. The idea of the sales team is they're invested in the success of the customer. And oftentimes we don't have a customer that is buying in a quarter, but our team is still engaged heavily to make sure that they're getting the most value.
And this is something that I think entrepreneurs should realize is you want to create some division of responsibility so the account management can own the renewals, but you never want the sales team to be only focused on new dollars and forget the customer otherwise. The team's responsibility is to make the customer successful.
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Chapter 7: What are the financial strategies leading up to an IPO for ThousandEyes?
One of the things, you know, Brian Halligan, when he came on, talked really importantly about how pricing axes enabled him to drive significant expansion revenue. And that was a critical moment for them because that's how you get really incredible exponential growth. So for you... you know, I'm going to, I'm going to say I'm a sample customer.
Let's say I sign right now for a hundred thousand dollar ACV account over the next year. I mean, what, what, what would you expect me to expand to in my next year's contract?
Yeah. So a typical customer, let's say they sign up for a hundred thousand dollars. They would focus on making sure that they can understand and improve their experience for like the two or three key apps that they care about or the two or three key apps that they're having some concerns or problems around.
And as they see value, they would add more apps or they would add more coverage from a monitoring standpoint, or they would say, Hey, a security team, this is really cool and very useful. You guys should look at it as well. So our accounts would go from, you know, a hundred K to a few hundred K to a million dollars.
The customers that are spending multimillion dollars with us, they all started in the 50 to a hundred K range.
Interesting. Okay. So, I mean, is it fair? You can kind of fairly predictably kind of put a proforma together and assume accounts are essentially, you know, doubling in the first year.
So we have a very predictable model in terms of growth, but over time, our land rates, our land sizes have also gone up. So when you model something that you want to model accurately over the last 24 months or 36 months, and your land sizes are also increasing, that changes the model.
Yeah, it makes it difficult.
At this point, we're sort of continuously adapting it, but we... have a very heavy customer retention, plus also the customers continue to do more with us. And we focus on mid to large enterprises, right? So we have eight of the top 10 banks. We have 60 plus Fortune 500s. We have about 110 global 2000s. And these are not easy customers to get into business with.
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Chapter 8: What lessons does the CEO share about the journey of scaling a company?
And a lot of them are on multi-year deals to begin with when they start engaging.
You said you're really proud of your really high retention. I mean, I would consider best in class gross retention before adding back expansion to be kind of north of 97, 98%. Are you guys best in class?
Yeah, we're best in class. So the retention ratio that investors often focus on is the retention with growth, the dollar rate revenue retention. And we're best in class there, but when I take that out and just look at net retention, we're still best in class.
Hold on, break, sorry, I don't understand the difference. You know, I look at obviously net revenue retention being north of 140% being best in class and gross being above 97% being best in class. But how are those different? How are those two things I just said different than your two metrics?
No, so the two metrics are right. There's retention, right? There's dollar retention, right? And then there's dollar expansion. But the terminology is often confusing in terms of different companies say different things. When they say DRR, they're including growth.
So we're talking about the same thing.
Yeah. I think both metrics are equally important and both metrics are really strong.
Yeah. So just to be clear, I would consider best in class net revenue retention to be north of 130, 140 percent. You guys are in that range?
Yeah, we're in. So here's the thing about DRR. We're in the range, but DRR is also not point of time. So when you look at these revenue retentions and so on, oftentimes what company would do is they would look at one point and then tell you, hey, our retention. But we actually track it across the entire cycle of the growth of the company.
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