SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1678 How He Helps 1000 Companiees Measure Straetgy, Bootstrapped, $450k in MRR
27 Feb 2020
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
cascade helping people measure their strategy not only planning but also the execution over a thousand customers today paying about 400 500 bucks a month so doing about 450 grand a month right now on revenue up from 200 grand a month just a year ago they're currently using seo keywords like how to write a vision statement to drive most their organic growth they are bootstrapped so they are operating right at breakeven which is obviously a nice place to be 30 people based in australia 10 gross revenue churn annually 30 expansion for 120 percent
net revenue retention. Too early to talk about CAC at scale. The sample size just isn't there. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Tom Wright. He's the founder of Cascade Strategy. After seeing firsthand how bad most organizations are at taking their strategy from PowerPoint to reality, he wanted to see if he could bring an affordable technology solution to solve the problem to market.
Tom, are you ready to take us to the top? Absolutely.
Chapter 2: How does Cascade Strategy help companies measure their strategy?
All right. Cascade Strategy. Tell us what the company does and what's your revenue model. How do you make money?
Sure. So it's a B2B SaaS model. So we have an online SaaS platform called Cascade. And what we do is we help companies turn strategy from being something that's very conceptual into something that they can actually measure, tie back to performance, link revenue goals to, et cetera.
So it's everything from the planning of the strategy, the day-to-day management, and then all of the dashboarding and tracking solutions around that plan as well.
And then kind of how do you price?
Chapter 3: What is the revenue model of Cascade Strategy?
Is it pure play SaaS?
Yeah. So it's 100 percent SaaS. So it's a monthly software subscription. We do annual as well. So you can kind of get started from as little as like 26 bucks if you're just an entrepreneur looking for a place as your strategic plan online through to our kind of largest enterprise deals that are sort of, you know, six figures plus.
That's great. And help us understand. So like I know you have a huge cohort, but on average, what are customers paying per month for this?
Yeah, so the average of our new deals at the moment is about $6,500 a year deal size, but it is really, really broad range.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you look at, so ignore new deals, because obviously people usually have legacy people that are paying much, much less. If you just look at your total base to date, what are they paying on average per month or year?
Yeah, so they pay about, it's probably just under 5K on average across the place right now per year.
Okay, so you haven't moved your price point upstream too much?
No, we did. We start off at about 20 bucks a month. And then for enterprise customers now we're charging about 48. So we have doubled it. The business model has evolved a little bit.
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Chapter 4: How has Cascade Strategy evolved its pricing strategy?
Originally, we were kind of shooting for, you know, really, really large organizations bringing on kind of like thousands of people in one go from the start. What we do now is we actually we still target Fortune 500 companies, but we actually kind of target teams within that.
And then we try to do the land and expand strategy where you grow organically once you've got one or two divisions on board.
Yeah. What year did you launch the company in?
Uh, technically it was 2013. Um, but we didn't really get the office till about 2014. Okay.
2013. That's great. And then what have you scaled to today in terms of total customers on the platform?
So we just hit last month, a thousand, uh, customers. Um, so we're up to about 1076 now. Um, so it's grown pretty quickly. Um, so yeah, about a thousand customers and we were growing at about, uh, From a revenue perspective, we're growing about 150% year over year revenue, which we've done for the last couple of years. That's great.
We think we can probably do that for the next couple of years as well.
Yeah, that's great. I mean, look, a thousand customers paying kind of 5,000, obviously you can kind of per month, you can kind of back into MRR.
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Chapter 5: What customer retention statistics does Cascade Strategy have?
You're doing like 450 grand a month right now, something like that.
Yeah, that's about right. Yeah. It goes up and down obviously, but yeah, that's about right.
And then take us back a year, which obviously we can back into growth rate from this, but a year ago, what were you doing per month?
Well, I mean, like I said, we're growing between 150 and kind of 200% year over year.
So that would be like 180, 200 grand a month?
Yeah, exactly. It was certainly a lot less than we are right now. So the last couple of years have been pretty crazy for us.
Where's most of that growth come from? You know, charging old customers more, so expanding or adding new customers entirely?
Most of it does come from new customers. So we have We have pretty interesting retention stats. So we kind of retain about 90% of what we call our enterprise accounts. An enterprise account is probably anyone paying kind of more than, say, $2,000 a year we would class as an enterprise account. So we tend to retain about 90% of those. Annually? Annually, yeah.
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Chapter 6: How does Cascade Strategy achieve its growth rates?
Our revenue retention within that group is about 120%. So we do get organic growth within that population. It's not kind of like explosive. We're not like doubling, you know, the revenue from existing customers, but it has like a relatively healthy uptick. But most of it does come from new enterprise.
So Tom, peel back that 120% net revenue retention onion for me. There's obviously gross churn and then your expansion makes up that gross to get to 120. So what is gross revenue churn per year?
So like gross revenue churn is probably, it's probably equivalent to that roughly that 90%. So we'll retain that.
So that's retention. Yeah, so 10% gross churn. And then that would mean you're expanding by about 30% to get to 120 net. That's about right, yeah. Interesting. Very good. And then how are you upselling? Like how are you driving that expansion? What are the pricing axes?
So it's a per user price fundamentally.
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Chapter 7: What challenges does Cascade Strategy face in customer acquisition?
We do do like unlimited pricing models for mid-size organizations. We don't tend to do them for the really large ones because we've got clients like Johnson & Johnson, Bank of America, really, really big customers where unlimited pricing has an unknown risk factor. But mostly it's about getting, let's say, a general manager within a Fortune 500 company, maybe he or she
people, whether they're product managers or whatever, getting them to deliver at least one quarter of really provable growth that they can tie back to Cascade. That's obviously tracked in Cascade using our dashboards and things like that. And then actually getting them on board to kind of go on a roadshow within the organization and basically use them as a kind of internal sales engine.
So we try to keep it as low touch as possible. We don't like going on site with customers, obviously. customers in 68 countries, so that can be quite challenging. But if necessary, we will go side-by-side with those general managers and actually present Cascade internally as a tool that's solved
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Chapter 8: What insights does the guest share about startup experiences?
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No, so the vast majority of our marketing is inbound. So we have like a pretty good kind of like presence on Google. If you search for Google things like how to write a vision statement, how to create a strategic plan, really generic strategy terms, we're pretty much number one for almost all of those terms with our blog posts, our e-books and things like that.
So the vast majority comes through that. Because of that, it's difficult to measure the exact cost. Obviously, there's a time investment. We don't do any advertising per se. We do a little bit of remarketing on Google AdWords.
What about salaries? That's usually the biggest cost here.
Yeah, so we only have kind of like one full-time marketing person, and I obviously do a lot of the blogging myself.
What's the total team size? About 30 people. 30, okay, and you only have one in marketing and sales?
So we have one marketer and then we have one salesperson based in our head office in Sydney. And then we have just added three salespeople over in our Portland office. But that's literally brand new as of like a couple of months ago.
Yeah. So I mean, it sounds like you maybe don't have a good sense of what CAC is because you haven't had to use money to make money.
There's not a lot of competition, which means. you're not really competing from an advertising perspective. That also has downsides because you've got to create a value prop that people don't know exists. It's not like selling a CRM where people can see it as a commodity with a comparable feature set or a comparable cost. But yeah, what we do, like when we look at our revenue forecast, we think
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