SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1733 They're Raising $5m Right Now on $3.6m in ARR
22 Apr 2020
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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They've raised about 4.5 million bucks, burning, call it, you know, about 150 grand per month. Team of 45 people in Berlin, 15% annual churn. Now today, though, monthly net negative 2.5%.
churn as they drive expansion paying about $25,000 to acquire a new $3,000 a month customer so less than a 12 month payback period a lot of their growth coming from trade shows again as they look to make help marketers really create a better experience on the websites you know started really in e-commerce now expanding to additional niches Hello, everyone. My guest today is Franz Riedel.
He's a co-founder of Styla, an agile content management system. The tool automates design and unifies content e-commerce to create seamless inspiration and shopping experiences. Today, the company works with more than 100 brands and retailers such as Foot Locker, Auto Group, Thomas, Sabo, or OBI. All right, Franz, you ready to take us to the top?
Absolutely.
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Chapter 2: What is Styla and how does it function as a content management system?
We saw so much more potential for this automation of design, because why restrict it to one small portion of your website? So the latest updates we've launched are to create landing pages. Some clients use this to build their homepages or to inject existing content into these relatively static product grid views, you know.
So everybody wants to enhance the experience, but the tools out there, often the shop systems are a bit, well, let's say rigid in a way. So they don't let you, especially if you don't have IT skills, change stuff. fast and quick test things, throw it out, put something else in.
Got it. Okay, good. So like drag and drop kind of WYSIWYG so that the marketing and sales teams can do this themselves without having to, you know, integrate their dev teams.
Yes. However, in one aspect of WYSIWYG, because the same thing, well, what you see is not necessarily what you get.
But Fran, sorry, this is like simple though. I mean, who are you selling to? Marketers or developers?
Oh, definitely marketers. Definitely marketers, e-commerce, e-commerce.
Yeah, very good. Okay, and how many customers have you scaled to over the past six years? More than 100, more than 100. Okay, and were you always priced at three grand a month on average or no?
Oh, no, no. We have some old legacy plans. Our first client paid probably $800 and they have a two-day cancellation or notice period. And that was the first. We had to get a foot in the door, right? People needed to believe that the machine could take over parts of their website and do the layout for it. So, no, we started much, much slower than that.
Okay. So, I mean, if I take 100 customers times three grand a month, that would put you at about 300 grand per month right now in revenue. Is that accurate?
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Chapter 3: What is the revenue model for Styla and how much do customers typically pay?
Talk to me more about the trade shows, right? So what would you pay to go to an average trade show and how many leads would you expect to get from there?
It's probably 15,000 to 20,000 a month, 20,000 per trade show. And well, we usually get at least one deal out of a trade show. So let's say anything, like if it's five really decent leads, it's good enough for us. Sometimes it's 10, sometimes 20.
And sometimes it's also people we've spoken to before, but for them, it's really helpful, especially from an old sort of industry and meeting to meet somebody in person. That's really important for their purchasing decision. So we see this as an important step, even though we might have talked to them before. And it's a bit hard to quantify. It's at least one new cold lead for a trade show.
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can we back into your CAC this way? Are you happy to spend about 15 grand to get a new $3,000 a month customer?
Uh, and the customer acquisition cost? Well, it's a bit higher because we have some, some, some other chances around 25,000.
Okay. So you spend about 25,000 bucks to get a $3,000 a month customer. Okay. So payback is what? Less than a year. And are you, at this price point, expansion revenue starts to become a real thing if you have things to upsell. Do you have meaningful expansion revenue and upsell revenue?
Yes, we do. However, we should have much more. So our average, well, we had a net negative turn last year for the first time. First half of the year, we didn't have so much to upsell, but with the new product line, things have, yeah, have taken off a bit.
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Chapter 4: How did Styla evolve from a B2C to a B2B model?
Okay. And the reason I ask is I always like to get like a ratio of kind of how much runway you're giving yourself, right? So at what moment, how many months of runway do you have in the bank where you say, okay, I better start fundraising now?
Um, when we started to fundraise, we had, uh, probably, oh, well, even a bit more than, a bit more than 10. And, uh, so now we still have, uh, about half a year.
Okay. Very good. Very good.
We closed the round earlier. Right. But you don't want to wait until the last minute. That's probably how much are you looking to raise?
What's your target?
somewhere between five and 10 million.
Yeah. And are you going to do that in, in, in the UK or you think you'll come to the States?
Um, we're talking both to us investors, but primarily European ones. Our experience is that most us investors, while we're probably at the lower end of the revenue they're looking for, not having like proper office with, with several people on the ground and not having, um, at this point, any us clients, um, it makes them feel a bit uncomfortable.
Often we're told, come back when you have 10 clients in the US. So yeah, focus right now is Europe. Of course, we're open to conversations in the US as well.
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