SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1754 Parker Conrad Gave Rippling CTO 40%, Kept 60%, 2,000 Customers "$36m ARR Not Far Off"
13 May 2020
Chapter 1: What led Prasanna and Parker to start Rippling?
Prasanna and Parker left Zenefits about the same time back in 2015, 2016. They then jumped into the new company Rippling together, raised 10 million bucks right away. Parker put in about 500 grand. They split equity 60% to Parker, 40% to Prasanna. They're now scaling nicely, trying to be the all-in-one. HR and IT tech platform currently serving 2,000 customers.
Persona says 36 million bucks in terms of run rate is not too distant in the future. We'll see how that pans out, but they're again, scaling through all kinds of channels, whether it's resellers or their 20 account executives.
They've got a team today of about 300, sorry, 200 people, a hundred of which are engineers, $65 million total raise net revenue retention of over 300%, spending about 10,000 bucks to get a new customer for call it a seven to 14 month payback period.
Chapter 2: How did Prasanna and Parker split equity in Rippling?
Hello, everyone. My guest today is Prasanna Sankar. He's building a very cool company called Rippling, which is playing in the all-in-one HR and IT space. He is the CTO. All right, Prasanna, you ready to take us to the top? Yeah.
Chapter 3: What is the current scale and customer base of Rippling?
All right. So talk to us. You know, you come from the director of engineering role at Zenefits. So let's pick up there. When did you leave Zenefits?
So I left right after Parker left. So, you know, when Parker was fired from Zenefits, I wrote him an email saying, hey, dude, like, you know, I know you're going to start a company and I want to join you. And Parker was like, no, no, I'm going to, you know, I'm done. So that's sort of what kicked off, you know, the rippling thing.
After a month, he was like, yeah, actually, I'm starting a company.
So when what what company was that?
Rippling. Oh, got it.
Got it, very good. So you guys are now working, you're cranking together still today? He's still active at the company? Yes. Very good. Yeah, he's the CEO. So walk us, so how did you guys get connected? So you were, because you kind of came from a competitive background. You were number one in Indie on TopCoder from a competitive programming perspective.
Now, how do you measure competitive programming? Is it number of code, like lines written per minute or what?
There are a bunch of online competitive programs you know, contests that run, um, top coder is one Google code jam is one. Um, there is Facebook runs some of those as well. Um, and they have these algorithmic problems that you need to solve in a short period of time. And, you know, they have a way to rank people. So in those contests, I was ranked one in India consistently for a while.
Yep. Okay. So I love this. So you get to get, so Parker says, Hey, I'm going to take a break. I'm going to take a break. He lasts barely a year and he's calls you up and goes, all right, barely a month. Barely a month since Prasanna, I'm jumping back in. So what year was that? When did you guys write the first line of code for this?
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Chapter 4: What challenges did Rippling face while building their MVP?
And it clearly signals, you know, potentially $100 billion company that could get created. And if you look at all the huge companies that got created, they had these kind of trajectories of growth rates and market pull, which is what we're seeing.
So it was very clear that this is a huge market with the winner-take-all dynamics, especially the ultimate play is like an app store where any SaaS developer can sort of plug in plug-in and publishes app and, you know, rippling provision seats and licenses on top of this on, you know, and provides distribution for these apps, right? So it is clearly a network effects business.
It's a winner-take-all business. So, you know, it requires to be number one. You know, it requires you to go for the number one.
So as you're going for that number one spot, there's a lot of people that would argue and say whoever can pay the most for the customer, because their economics are strong, will win the customer. So you raise a lot of capital. You have a war chest. Your average first year ACV is, you said, between 15 and 20,000 bucks. What do you spend on fully weighted CAC to get that customer?
We almost sort of like... Um, our payback is like, you know, is insanely profitable right now. It's like one to two months or something like that. So, you know, uh, it's not, it's not true. That's not the game that we're playing.
You know, that means you're spending two or three grand to get a 15, $20,000 a year customer.
Um, actually that's probably not true. It's our sales rep comp that we sort of recoup on the first month. Uh, so our total payback might be like, you know, nine months or something like that. So, yeah. Um, So we're not in the business of paying the most to get the customer at all. We are pretty unique. Nobody else has what we have in terms of product
You know, there is no competition in the market that, you know, there is no one else out there going to the customers with the sales pitch that we are going with. But just like we are an all in one solution, we are an operating system to run your company. So, you know, we are pretty differentiated on that.
Well, there's a lot to be fair. There are a lot of companies where the prize is the same $100 billion HR tech kind of store company, but the mousetrap they're using to get there is different. So they today would not describe themselves as all in one. They would say we do this specific thing very well and they're getting a lot of traction there and they will expand to become all in one.
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Chapter 5: How does Rippling define its target customer?
So we're not really talking about the revenue numbers, but I can tell you that it is sort of the fastest growing company that i've kind of like seen you know we've kept it under the radar um you know it's it's sort of like at slack kind of growth rates
Well, Prasanna, so just to be clear, I get people that come on all the time that have raised a lot of capital. They're burning like you wouldn't believe. They say they're the fastest growing. And when you try and get quantification, they go, oh, we're not talking about it. And usually it's bullshit, right?
So when I'm looking at, when I'm looking, I never want to bring out a revenue number unless the guest, in this case you, provides the data for me to get to that number. So You know, we have a very sophisticated SaaS audience, very smart people listen, 10 million downloads. They will take 2,000 customers times an ARPU to get MRR. That's how the math works.
So I just want to give you one second to potentially correct either of those numbers because that's what's going to happen. They're going to multiply that ACV you said times 2,000 customers and back into 3 million a month in revenue.
What I would say is all these numbers are shifting really fast. You know, the ACV is growing really fast.
No, but we talked about ARPU though. ARPU is average revenue per user per month. So is what you're saying basically, by the way, I'll move on from this. I just want to quantify this to put an end on this part of the story, right? What I hear you saying is you're moving upstream, which means your new ACV today might be $20,000 ACVs, but you might have historical cohorts that paid less than that.
So you can't just multiply 20,000 times 2,000 customers to get a $36 million run rate today.
That's good.
I see. Okay, cool. I think that's a good, I think that's a good kind of close off to that story. So the lessons there is you started off with again, cheaper, potentially lesser value cohorts, smaller team sizes than now. The average team is 30 people, $20,000 ACVs you're scaling, uh, and go and today you have 2000 paying customers. Yeah.
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