SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1758 Funnel Analysis: Online Events Platform $0 to $1.8m in Revenue In 2 Months
17 May 2020
Chapter 1: How did Hopin achieve rapid growth during COVID-19?
Hopin seeing incredible growth going from zero to $1.5 million in AR over the past basically two and a half months as COVID has hit. They help you manage and run online events, raised 7 million back in December because they were seeing an crazy virality rate between people using their free product and those attendees that use the free product converting into organizers, of new events themselves.
They're scaling nicely, about 30, 40 people hired over the very recent past, 38 people today total. They're seeing pretty high churn numbers, but again, that's to be expected when they're growing so fast as well. Currently have a product flow where you put in the type form information, you go into a group demo, and then they close from there.
$99 a month for each organizer, 100 free seats per organizer. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Johnny Bufferhat. He is the CEO and founder of Hoppin, the online events platform. The company has grown from one person to a 40-person remote company in five months and grew in revenue from zero to a million bucks in ARR in three weeks. Johnny, you ready to take us to the top? Absolutely.
So some more context around this. We are recording here on April 21st. Some of my friends have moved their in-person events to online and they are using your platform. And I said, well, if this guy's in the business of events and he's doing them online, I want to talk to him right now because your business must be going through all kinds of growth.
Yeah, absolutely. It's been a pretty crazy period.
So tell us how crazy, right?
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Chapter 2: What unique features does Hopin offer for virtual events?
So if people want to follow along, the site's hopin.to, H-O-P-I-N.T-O. What do you guys do, Johnny?
So we're a virtual events platform that really focuses on engagement and networking. Most of you guys have heard of virtual events before or been to them. And I feel like you kind of shrug in general. Virtual events have existed for 12 years. kind of always sucks. And so what we've tried to do is bring them online, not make them look too animated or too cheesy in a way.
And also in the opposite sense, you've seen like the offerings that are like more like websites built with pictures of what areas should look like, if you know what I'm trying to say. And we focus on more of the networking, engagement, interactivity and the things you really go to an event for.
Yep. This is a those of you that are only listening on iTunes right now or Google podcasts. The interface looks very much like kind of how you would go live on YouTube in terms of like there's live chat. But there's also nice buttons like a reception area you can go into or go into one on one meetings via via kind of a meetings icon. There's a lot of other stuff built in.
What I mean, is there anything else besides those features I just mentioned, Johnny, that you see a lot of your customers using today? Oh, absolutely.
If you're looking at the website on April 21st, as we are on today, we have a new website coming out that shows all our functionality. I mean, we're in early access.
early access but we have so many users now but we do have a really big waitlist we just don't have a big enough team to basically handle the support and the customer success but in terms of the product itself that website is about nine months outdated it was just me on the team when the website was pushed out we didn't have 23 engineers and almost every image that you see there you have 23 full-time engineers right now yeah amazing and what's the total team size
Uh, 38, 38. Okay. So did you raise, you must've raised capital to scale that quick.
Yeah. We raised capital about three months ago or two months ago from Excel ventures. Okay. And how much did you raise? we raised a 5 million pounds, around $7 million.
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Chapter 3: How does Hopin manage its customer onboarding process?
It's not very accessible. It's not easy to bring people in, basically. It's not easy to plan it. Whereas with Hopin, I always said we're probably going to be the fastest growing company in the world when we decide to push out because we saw the viral effect. You get a thousand people in a funnel coming into one event.
And then on the other end of the funnel, when they finish the event, if they have a great experience, it takes 10 minutes to set up an event on Hopin. And you can engage your entire, and this is what we're seeing, because we have virtual gym nights people do. We have conferences. I mean, we really consider ourselves just a venue.
And that's why we kind of allow people to do any type of event they want to do and just give them the tools to do it. And so that's our philosophy and it's worked really well. But it's also why I feel like
you know, I was saying it in November, you know, always to the people around me that, hey, when we launch, we better have a team because we're going to be in a lot of trouble to scale this basically functionally.
So I want to talk more about the virality and scaling and put this on a timeline though for us first. When did you write the first line of code for the platform? Two years ago. Okay, so that would have been 2018. And then when was your first dollar of revenue?
So our first dollar of revenue, there was a few stages in that, but probably mid 2019. But we were in private beta, we've been in private beta for a long, long time.
But point is, you were able to write the first line of code, get an MVP up and actually generate your first dollar of revenue in under a year, basically, it sounds like eight to 10 months.
Yeah, yeah, it was it was a speed dating company using our events for for speeding event.
So yes, that's funny. Okay. And today, what's the average customer pay per month or per year to use you guys?
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Chapter 4: What challenges did Hopin face while scaling its team?
So this is how we've thought about it, that you have 10 organizers, for example, in your account, then you'd have 1,000 free tickets to use every month to get people to come to your events. And then after that, you pay 50 cents per head. And that's our early access plan. And then we have an enterprise plan that begins much higher.
Okay, and how many customers are you working with today, monthly? How many customers? I think close to 1,200 now. So walk me through the transition of the waitlist you have, even on the website right now, there's no like wait, it doesn't look like it just says join waitlist, join 10,000. How are you moving people from the waitlist over to paid?
Yeah, it's really difficult right now. We started the pipeline with a type form, basically. The type form got overrun and we couldn't track it. And then we decided to send it through to Clearbit to enrich the data. And then what we realize now is that because coronavirus happened or COVID-19 happened,
we've actually had just too much inbound, too much inbound to, and this is like, it sounds incredibly bad because it would have been my dream in November for that, but too much inbound to do things properly. And that's a serious problem because we don't have proper support for those on the early access plan. So we're trying to even slow down.
We have this wait list now close to 180,000 and we've probably onboarded about
2,000 of it. Is that 180,000? That's just people that put in their email that said, I want to try Hopin'.
Well, it asks you if you want to be an organizer or not. And so most of them select organizer. So it's about 95% organizer. Okay. So potential organizer. Because again, Hopin is a venue. We have people that are just looking for us for meetups. And on the other side, it's for people that are looking for conferences or hackathons, whatever it is that they're doing. It's across the spectrum.
So we've had... almost too much reach out to be able to handle. And it's led to, you can see it, like I'm starting to see it on Twitter where people will just be like, how long does it take you guys to get back to us? You know what I mean? Sort of thing. And it feels pretty shitty to me.
Well, so what's the process? You get a thousand new leads today. How do you know who to let in, who to not?
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Chapter 5: How did the COVID-19 pandemic influence Hopin's fundraising?
So people will usually fill in the people who really needed it. So, for example, I got a call on Friday from one of our sales leads saying, hey, there's this company that was planning an event for Tuesday. They needed to run the event in person, but they needed to move it online. This was three weeks ago. And so they were actively messaging every single person on LinkedIn. This is the worst thing.
Please don't do this because it's not. But I mean, it's It's kind of like it's genuinely obviously if they're a really, you know, really, really big companies reach out to our investors and then try and get an intro through there. But majority of majority of people at the moment, we're reaching out on a like we're trying to do it as fairly as possible. We ask for What is your budget?
Do you need self-service? If we realize it's a self-service person, someone who doesn't need any custom support or need to go near the enterprise plans, then if it's under a certain amount of people they're expecting at their event and it won't affect our bandwidth or we need to look at it with extra support sort of thing, we'll let them in pretty well.
pretty quickly if we can get back to them in email. But at the moment, there's no real way, I would say, other than waiting. We're setting up a proper pipeline and we plan to launch publicly very, very soon. We're just getting the team in place.
Yeah. So, okay. So the funnel right now is I put in my name, my email, and if I want to be an organizer, attendee or other, and then it takes me to the website that says, expect to hear from us in the next 48 hours with a link to go book a demo. So have you, and then that goes to the type form, I believe, right? That's correct. Yeah. Okay.
So what you then take the type form and give it to your sales reps. And if someone says I have a million dollar budget, you let them in quickly. Or if they say, I'm going to have 10,000 people at an event, you let them in quickly.
That's what was happening. And then we realized the million dollar budget people were a lot of people that were agencies that run events for multiple companies. And we didn't have the tools to work, but we didn't have the contracts set up to work with agencies yet. So in most cases, if the budget's really, really high, yes, we will try to move them forward.
But also we're being mindful of how much support that high budget company is going to need, because we've noticed that a company that is running a one to one million dollar budget, they're just not like, hey, we're willing to pay for the same software that everyone else paying for for a million dollars, they want like six people to be running their project for them.
And so an event, they want extra support, they want all these things. So we've now decided that we're kind of looking for the middle tier, the people that we know, you know, there's a decent budget, but also a lot of basically don't need as much support. And those are the ones that we are trying to funnel through.
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Chapter 6: What is Hopin's pricing structure for organizers?
You're asking like, what's their budget? How many people do you expect to register? These are all things that help you prioritize.
Exactly. Yeah. But even still, I would say we're not doing a good enough job. And we're even qualifying that in Clearbit after and we've tried so many things to basically nail it.
So what is the flow today? In the middle of the virus, everyone's moving everything online. There is no other option. Like yesterday, how many new leads did you get filled out the type form and how many people actually booked a demo using your Notion integration after the type form submission?
I mean, I'm going to have to take a look at this, but I think the number is close to the HubSpot form. Sorry, the website form gets a lot, you know, over a thousand, whereas the around a thousand a day and the type form gets about 130 to 180 a day.
180 per day. Interesting. And then how many demos get new demos get booked per day?
So now we've switched the system and that was very recently, I should have mentioned that. So if it looks like someone that needs a one-to-one demo, high budget, big company, big enterprise, for example, we'll send it over to a one-on-one demo with one of our team members, which we've recently done.
everybody else gets to go to a group demo that we're starting to set up twice a week so the group demos basically where we show them the product etc there is a live q a it shows all of hoppin's features and why we're amazing our demos because they're not just like a webinar it's like you get to experience everything there's live q a's where you can put turn on your video ask questions to different people on the team and from there we're trying to push people to say
Like go do the self-service plan if you want.
Yeah. I mean, look, when you have an AC that's 99 bucks a seat and you don't know if it's going to be a $99 seat of a plan or, you know, they have 10 organizers. You don't know. It's hard to associate a sales rep with a $99 plan. So doing the one to many approach actually helps you scale the sales team and do it profitably. Absolutely. How many sales people do you have with quota?
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Chapter 7: How does Hopin convert users from waitlist to paying customers?
Let's show the product to people. Let's hope it doesn't, you know, hope it basically, even with 20% less features than we wanted to have when we launched, let's push it out. And we did. And, you know, it's been hard to manage it. But in that time, in about three weeks, I think we're at now 1.8 million ARR from the company. I mean, when I filled in the form with you, it was one.
Yep. Yep. Amazing. Okay. So a couple other questions on that. What was the waitlist size before COVID like two months ago?
The waitlist side before COVID was around 80,000 and that was over nine months.
Okay. So like that's impressive. Let's ignore the virus for a second. How did you drive people to get on the waitlist?
we're lucky that we had a very, again, viral product. So even in our private beta, someone would host an event, you have a good experience, about 1,800 people would show up to a private, one of our early access or really deep early access events. And we were noticing that about 10% of people would go in and try and fill a form, would fill the form. So attendee to user. Yeah, attendee to user.
So for us, and that's what I meant by, you know, it was going to be hard for us not to be one of the fastest growing companies in the world. And we need to have things in place because events are incredibly, you know, it's a great funnel. You know, same Eventbrite had that a lot of these other event patterns have it.
But I think online events like the ones we're creating have it way more, about 10x, 20x. So I already felt that way coming in.
And this is just kind of made it a little bit crazy. Did you have, Johnny, a bunch of other eggs? What I'm trying to figure out is how were you able to get $7 million raised pre-revenue? You could point to the waitlist and the viral coefficient. You could point to your back. I don't know a lot about your background, but what enabled you to raise?
I mean, you had to raise $7 million on at least a minimum 20 pre. You're not going to have somewhere than 30% of the company before you have any revenue. How did you get that kind of valuation pre-revenue?
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Chapter 8: What are the future growth projections for Hopin?
So it was just, I think it was a matter of hype. It's the wrong word, but hype and excitement about the product.
Johnny, last couple of questions here. You raise money, you have to invest aggressively in growth. There are 38 people on the team today. How much money are you burning every month to take advantage of this opportunity and grow as fast as you can?
So we're currently burning close to 400,000. Total? Total? Yeah, total this month was $400,000.
Okay, and then you subtract revenue off that. So you're burning maybe $250,000-ish, $260,000 a month.
That's right.
Plenty of runway with $7 million just raised. And then what about churn? Is it too early to look at gross revenue churn past 30 days?
No, I saw the numbers actually yesterday and it looked like it was around 11%. Okay, a monthly.
Yeah. You probably expect that on the events business. That's really high for a traditional SaaS company, but you probably expect that being in the events business.
I expect that being in the events business, being in it right now, none of the numbers that are happening right now in our product are sustainable. It's going to obviously continue growing. We're going to be incredibly viral. But what I imagine is, if we're growing at a 900% per week type thing now, let's just say, a ridiculous amount, the churn is also going to stabilize.
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