SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
5000 Building Owners Manage Jobs Using This Vendor Management Tool
15 Apr 2022
Chapter 1: What is Vendor PM and how does it modernize property management?
Look, if you do this math, right? You said 3,000 to 6,000 per vendor, right? And obviously we can take 35 vendors or sorry, 35,000 vendors times 3K a pop. I mean, I don't think you're doing 105 million in revenue. No. You are listening to Conversations with Nathan Latka, where I sit down and interview the top SaaS founders, like Eric Wan from Zoom. If you'd like to subscribe, go to getlatka.com.
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He's the founder and CEO of Vendor PM. His mission is to modernize the way property managers work with service vendors. All right, Emil, you ready to take us to the top?
Yeah, happy to. I'll give the quick origin story here. I started my first business when I was 14 years old. It was the shitty family situation. I had to make some money to help out my mom and sister at the time. So I started going door to door in my neighborhood, selling window cleaning services of all things, because at 14 years old, where else are you going to get a job and make money?
Uh, ended up actually being quite decent at it, brought, you know, my friends along and they brought theirs. And before we knew it, you know, we had this team of 50, 60, really, really hardworking, dedicated, uh, like-minded individuals at a young age. And we were all selling door to door and we started, you know, building this relatively large business.
We're doing about 10,000 homes a summer at the time.
I mean, where were you?
Oh, this is Toronto.
Okay, great. This is Toronto.
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Chapter 2: How did Emil Brill start his first business at 14?
Okay. Now take us into after 21, what happened next?
Sure, sure. So I started heading up sales for a high rise window cleaning company. It's still, you know, within that world that I was familiar with. And I started getting an idea of, you know, really that sticker shock when you go from we'll call it single family home to commercial.
And by the way, just for definition purposes, when I say commercial, we're talking about office, condo, apartment, hospitality, hotels, anything that's not consumer single family homes. And really, really got that sticker shock. Reason being is, you know, to clean the windows, let's say just the exterior windows of a single family home, one, $200.
To clean the exterior windows of a, you know, an average condo or apartment building could be 10, $20,000. Or these contracts is multi-year contract to be, you know, in the seven figures, right? And so... I'd gotten really excited by just how much money property managers, because I'm selling to property managers, not homeowners anymore, are spending on something like window cleaning.
And so I thought to myself, well, if they're spending this much money to make their windows shine and sparkle, how much are they spending on literally every other building service? And that number annually in North America is over $400 billion. So it's a very hard number to ignore. Now, from there, I was evaluating the way that they're spending this money, the workflows involved.
Amil, sorry, personal context. You're skipping college or you're in college doing this?
I actually did graduate. I never went to class. It was pretty much just... I went to McMaster. It's in Hamilton. And I would just drive over to Hamilton, cram the night before, do my exams. But the focus throughout my university days was certainly on business.
And why, so two questions, why do university and do you do university, but also why go join a high-rise cleaning company as head of sales? If you just sort of sold your company for, it sounds like potentially a nice chunk of money for a 21 year old.
Yeah. So twofold. Okay. So the first question was, sorry, can you repeat the first question again, Nathan?
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Emil face after selling his first business?
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Yeah, no, it's predominantly based on what we call wallet share. So we have this tool, this feature in Vendor PM, where they're actually planning all of their services and all their contracts through Vendor PM. That becomes the benchmark, what we call the scorecard for success. And you can take a fulfillment rate based on that.
I see. I see. Okay. And obviously there's buildings and then property managers, but a property manager could have a lot of buildings. So how many property managers are there that manage the 5,000 buildings?
Yeah, roughly 2000. So the way that it works is, yeah. So the way that it works is yes, you do have, I mean, listen, you can have AAA office assets where you have a team of three or four, even five managing one building. And then you get a BNC class assets where to your point, you have one property manager managing, let's say two or three buildings per person.
Right. And then quickly, same set of questions on the other side of your marketplace. How do you define an active vendor?
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Chapter 4: What led Emil to launch Vendor PM in 2020?
So it's not hugely valuable there in understanding your business.
Correct. I would say we're hitting what tier one SaaS metrics and tier one growth targets would be for our stage.
Got it. We don't know what stage you're at. So why don't you talk about what those tier one metrics are?
Sure. Well, I mean, listen, as far as stage goes, we did our seed in June or July of last year.
So the next stage would be your Series A. Yeah, but I think it's kind of silly, I would think, to define a company by what they've raised. There's hundreds of companies that have raised a lot of money and they do no revenue. Reflective raised $150 million. They did $14 million in revenue and sold for $14 million. It was a total dud. Yes. Right?
So I don't think defining stage to what you've raised is a smart move. I would say most series A company, I would say most series A companies, obviously, they've got to be growing at least 300% year over year, triple, triple, triple, double, double, right? Sort of thing.
I would say that you're probably finding yourself in a weird spot because you have to convince markets that you're a software company when really you're a software plus marketplace. And so you have to make sure they see that as a strength, not a weakness, right?
And I would say most people in their series A right now are seeing between like a 25 and 40X multiple if they can convince the market that they are truly a SaaS movement. Are you sort of in those ranges?
I would say yes. Let's say yes.
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