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$50m Bootstrapped CEO Shares His First SEO Hire, Growth Tactics and Playbook
13 Jun 2024
Chapter 1: How did Rytis Lauris bootstrap Omnisend to $50 million in revenue?
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I'm the co-founder and CEO of Omnisend. Omnisend is a marketing automation platform. Basically, we help those who sell online to communicate with the existing customer base by sending emails, text messages, web push notifications. And you potentially have not heard about us, but I hope I will surprise you a bit. So just trying to understand how this works.
Chapter 2: What role does SEO play in Omnisend's growth strategy?
A little bit about ourselves. So why I believe we have some knowledge and we have some experience and we can share. So Omnisend is 50 million ARR organization. We are fully bootstrapped. We don't like this bootstrap term. We prefer call ourselves being customer funded and basically to what Sam was talking about.
So the main focus, not on the investor's interest, but the main focus on your customer's interest and driving value to your customers is actually what helps us grow, be quite, I mean, very profitable. And still, last year, we grew by 44% year over year. So it's not a hyper growth anymore, but in the days when everybody's...
really struggling, the growth was still quite good, and we are proud of that.
Chapter 3: How did Rytis make his first SEO hire?
And SEO is an important part for new revenue driving. And so now it's quarter-by-quarter rise, but it drives us like 10% to 15% of all new revenue that is coming to Omnisend every quarter. And this is an example. We started doing SEO in 2019, so not so far away ago. And you see that was kind of like zero traffic, zero organic traffic. Now it's 120,000 organic visits every month.
That's what we get just purely SEO activities. And you see how did we achieve this. Yeah, so today I'm going to focus like three things. So a little bit overview of the market, competition, and the team, who actually are those people who do the SEO inside Omnisend. I will share lessons from the first three years, as I mentioned, like we started in 2019.
So there are two stages, first initial three years, and then other two years, so what we have accomplished. So basically, those are three parts of my presentation. And starting with a general intro and general environment.
So what do we operate like competition is really tough and I will show you why and then what does that mean for us and I will share key principles what do we apply when we think about SEO and a little bit overview of our team.
Chapter 4: What are the key metrics for measuring SEO success at Omnisend?
So yeah, so competition, so Omnisend operates in really email marketing. I mean, we call ourselves and we are marketing automation platform, but everyone, everyone, every search, I mean, 90% of searches still starts with very basic. People are looking for email marketing for SMS marketing.
Although we think and we are way more robust platform as our competitors are, but actually everybody starts searching from very basic keywords. So actually our direct competitor number one is Klaviyo. Yes, they are bigger than us. They are like 10, 11 times bigger than us. They are very big in Shopify ecosystem. We're number two, 10 times smaller, but still number two in the Shopify ecosystem.
And they are a very public company, and they invested hundreds of millions of dollars in their go-to-market activities, including SEO, et cetera. MailChimp, which is our direct competitor as well, but if we compete against MailChimp, in 80% of cases, we win against them. because we know that we drive way better value for those who sell online.
And there are other companies like HubSpot, like Constant Contact, that are not our direct competitors business-wise, but they compete for the same keywords. So in the SEO world, they are still our competitors because they compete for the same keywords as we do.
And all of those are really well-established brands, very well-known brands, and they have hundreds of millions in their pocket, as we don't have it. Yeah, now Keyword Difficulty, to illustrate some of the most competitive keywords. So this is Ahrefs data. So the most competitive keywords are as competitive as 95. So this is Ahrefs Keyword Difficulty score.
And PPC value, if we would pay for some of the keywords where we are in the top three positions, we would pay $60 per click. Not per install, not per paying customer, but per click. So actually, like, you can imagine how much it would cost for us to buy this traffic just paying for Google.
Yeah, and, you know, so still we managed to grow from, in this competitive environment, from 0 to 120,000 visitors, organic visitors, every month. Key principles. What helped us to be there?
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Omnisend face in the competitive SEO landscape?
So first thing, our team, SEO team, as all other teams of Phenomenon, focus on outcomes, not outputs. So our SEO team, the key metric they are responsible for, it's the new revenue. Every quarter, we do all use OKRs on quarterly basis. Every quarter, they know how much revenue they should drive.
that ends up they know how much revenue they should drive every month every week they do report new revenue every lovely week and track it on a daily basis so i mean you know earning backlinks publishing articles it's important but the most important metric and the primary metric is still revenue so you know focusing on this really helps to focus our team's mindset that way and it's it's absolutely valuable
And in our philosophy, SEO is not an art. You would compare if it's more a factory or an art studio, it's more a factory. So there are just a lot of repetitive processes, which sometimes could be quite boring. But you just have to do that. You have to outreach, outreach, outreach. You have to publish, publish, publish, publish. And that's it.
You have to do multiple times, outreach thousands of times sometimes. But that's what really works. Yeah, so our SEO team, since the very beginning, there was one person who is actually now our VP of marketing. So he grew from the first SEO specialist, Domnison, to the leader of the entire marketing organization.
And up until today, okay, now it's already five people, but we added two more people just this month. So we have a new vision, a new ambition. So like in the past five years, the team of SEO was three people only, and that's the team that accomplished those results. And of course, we do have a big pool of various partners.
So we never hired an agency, but we have a lot of pools of freelancers and diverse who help us with backlinks, with content writing, et cetera, but we pay basically per results. And yeah, so first three years. So how did we start everything? So as I mentioned, our traffic, organic traffic was zero. Our domain authority was very low as well.
And of course, any piece of article we published was just not indexed by Google at all. Not talking about getting it to some top positions or so. So we hired the first person. And the main decision we made that we have to build an in-house team.
The reason for that, because at that time I was hiring that first person, and I was trying to hire agencies to do SEO, et cetera, and everybody was like pitching those creative ideas.
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Chapter 6: How did Omnisend build its SEO team and structure?
Oh, we'll be publishing top-notch articles, you know, the good content space, and you just have to write good content, and Google will do the job, we will love you, et cetera. And I kind of did not believe in that, and still, good quality content, it is very important, but it's not enough at all. So that's why I made a decision, okay, let's hire in-house people,
and focus on very practical things. Keywords are search, backlinks, buildings, et cetera. And of course, it's not enough. People can't do everything. So we do have a network of copywriters. We do have a network of freelancers, those who help us build, acquire links, et cetera. But those are people who are basically paid per result.
It's not kind of an agency you hire, you have a retainer, et cetera, but just you wrote a good quality of content, yes, we pay you. You acquired a good quality of link, we pay you. Otherwise, we don't. So it's actually based on result things, and that's what is very effective, and that's what helped us since the very beginning, and it really works for us until today.
Yeah, and backlink partners, so I will talk about backlinks a little bit more just now. And, yeah, so our authority was, like, zero. And to what I said, I mean, not zero, but, like, 20-something, so super low. And to what I already mentioned, so, like, HubSpot, authority 90-plus. MailChimp, authority 90-plus. Klaviyo, maybe at that time was 70-plus something, yeah?
So the competition is tough, and it's impossible to compete against those companies and to be indexed and to be ranked by Google as high as you would like to be ranked. So basically, we just focused on one single tactic. We were not publishing too much content. The content pieces were very few. They were really, truly good quality, but we focused on link building.
And basically, for initial three years, we were building backlinks. Backlinks, backlinks, backlinks. Outreaching, outreaching, outreaching. And me being a CEO of a company, I met, like, someone from the SEO team, like, in the kitchen. What a cool conversation. So how many backlinks did you earn today? How many backlinks did you earn this week, this month, et cetera?
And it's kind of like, as I said, it's more like a factory. You're just reaching out to BDR activity, building backlinks. One day after another day after another day could be boring, but that really pays off. And after three years of doing that and focusing on links building, currently we do have almost 200,000 links that refer to Omnisend domain.
Our main website, our blog, it comes from 14.4 thousand unique websites, including like PayPal, HubSpot, MailChimp is even quoting us. Google, in their articles, is quoting us. I mean, those are such high authorities you would never get, like, They would never sell backlinks, but I will tell how did we earn this.
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Chapter 7: What strategies helped Omnisend achieve 120,000 organic visits per month?
And our domain authority currently is 88. So now we publish any article, it's being indexed by Google just in hours or sometimes in minutes. Of course, it doesn't guarantee the top position at all, but it guarantees that it's already being indexed just right away after publishing it. And a few tactics to share. OK, so we just are talking here about how to build those links.
So first thing is really outreach, outreach, outreach. It's sales activity. It's BDR activity. You have to outreach thousands of potential websites. Initially, they ignore you. They continue ignoring you. But after first, fifth, or 10th attempt, they start replying. And more backlinks you get from good, authoritative websites, the easier it becomes for you to acquire new ones.
And another advice would be there are a lot of freelancers or authors who are responsible or content editors who are responsible for a lot of websites which have a quite good domain authority. And you give a good quality piece of content for them, and they're happy because we charge their customers for writing down content.
And in exchange for that, you just ask to mention your brand name and put just a little bit of one backlink. Nothing bad. So it's a win for them. It's a win for you. And then you start building those networks to cooperate with others. There are other websites we do SEO well as well. You do link exchange. So it's really dumb to do one-on-one the same week or the same day link exchange.
But you build networks, and then you build circles that, you know, I give a backlink to you, you give a backlink to someone else, you give a little of this, and we do it in circles. So basically, building those networks and building those circles is very important. And good quality content, it is important.
What really worked the best for us, and those what I mentioned, Google, HubSpot, PayPal, not talking about major media outlets, mentioned Omnisendame just completely for free. And you can see in this list, so it's all the in-depth researches. So, okay, statistics, annual statistics, seasonal statistics, okay, email marketing state, et cetera. And we started publishing it here.
Like, year over year, season over season, and, okay, first was ignored by everyone. Second was ignored by everyone. Third, off time, media outlets start publishing it, and we understood this is a reliable source. And you can see that, like, you know, vast majority of referring domains and links to our pages is coming, like, omnichannel statistics, statistics, statistics, et cetera.
And of course, it's not enough just to publish this quality content. You have to seed it. You have to outreach. You have to say, look, we have this infograph. We have the statistics. Look at it. Quote it. It's free of charge. Just use it. You have to do this job as well to seed this content. Yeah, so that's where we started.
So basically, for initial three years, we were mainly focusing on publishing very few content pieces, but seeding them and building a backlinks profile up to 200,000 unique backlinks that refer to our domain now. Okay, so we went initial three years from zero to 40,000 visitors. And in the past two years, we, since 2022, we managed it to triple it from 40,000 to 120,000.
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Chapter 8: What future goals does Rytis have for Omnisend's revenue growth?
Second thing is SEO team is constantly reviewing and looking for new ideas, new keywords. And maybe you did analysis like six months ago, three months ago, and you think that it's already been covered. No. People's habits are changing. Markets are constantly changing. And new habits and new terms arise, et cetera. And you have constantly be reviewing everything you did until today.
And the third thing is really focusing on those and constantly reviewing those pages who either have been updated some time ago, or those who are the best traffic drivers to Omnisend website, and those who drive the most registrations. There are top pages, of course. It's 80-20 principle. It works everywhere. And 20% of our pages drive 80% of sign-ups.
And those are the pages on which you focus the most while not forgetting others. And just an example, very practical. So in the single month of January, we published 22 articles and we updated five old articles, which is from this top three list, either old ones or the best performing articles. And some of the most competitive keywords, we update as much as like once per week.
So those that are top, top, top competitive. So this is an example of WooCommerce plugins for 2024 in the third position. It's a very competitive keyword. And you see web dated seven days ago. The one which is in second position updated five days ago.
So basically, the top performing articles and the most competitive articles you have to review constantly, like every week, at least once per month. And back links still matter.
You publish good quality contents, you publish a lot of content, but still, I mean, if you want to compete, and now we have a very high domain authority, and our pages are being indexed, and our content is being indexed right away, but if you want to get to top five, top three, top one position, you have to build a backlinks profile.
So basically that still is in play and we continue doing the same backlinks are still important. And if you want to rank high, you have to continue for each piece of article. Good quality article is important. Recency is important. Backlinks is equally important. So basically there are three pillars on which we are focusing.
Yeah, so what I shared with you today, yeah, so this is a very tough competitive market where we operate our direct competitors and our non-direct competitors, which are, you know, competing for the same keywords. We just like, you know, publishing good quality content and building your domain authority with backlinks and links, and it's what really drives you to success.
And this is the team members of this small team led by Laura. So really, thank you for her. I'm not a SEO specialist, to be honest, by myself. So she really helped me to prepare this presentation. So thanks for her. And if any one of you is really keen on building doing SEO right, and you would like to cooperate.
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