SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
770: Crypto: He Has Third Largest ICO Ever With $53m Raised
02 Sep 2017
Chapter 1: What inspired Sergey Shalom to enter the gaming industry?
Founder founded his company back in 2004.
Now he's really taking crypto and applying it to the gaming industry with the third largest as of today, token issuance on record raised about 53 million bucks and then issued his own credits as exchange for that excited about really bringing in this new ecosystem so that developers can make more money and keep more of the hard work that they're putting into building these games.
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Chapter 2: How did Sergey build a successful gaming company without initial revenue?
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Coming up tomorrow morning, I talk to the king of mobile app installs with over $320 million spent. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Sergey Shalom. And look, many of you may know him, some of you may not know him, but here's his background. As a teenager, he was a championship level gamer and created the first large gamer group called Esport Tournaments in Russia for a game called Quake.
After receiving a PhD in mathematical modeling, Sergey founded it Dad Croft Games Ltd. in 2004.
Chapter 3: What role does cryptocurrency play in monetizing gaming?
Over the past 13 years, the company has developed multiple worldwide popular games with millions and millions of users. He continues to oversee a company of over 100 employees that continues to bring new cutting-edge games to the market.
Their latest game called Pixel Wars is going to be released later this summer and has already received critical acclaim and is going to become the game changer and mobile export. He's been a proponent of using blockchain technology to solve many problems in the gaming industry. That's what we're going to focus on today. Sergey, are you ready to take us to the top? All right.
So I'm binging a little bit on this whole crypto world, which is why I wanted to have you on because you're kind of taking it from a gaming approach. You know, a lot of people I've had on that talk about crypto, they're all in the crypto Kool-Aid, right? They like founded Ethereum or something like that.
So I'm looking for practical applications of how people are using crypto in industries that my audience already understands. So tell us more about your gaming company and tell us why and how you're thinking about crypto.
Absolutely. This is a very good question that you asked in regards of crypto and blockchain, what's going around. There is a really huge hype about everything that is connected to crypto and blockchain.
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Chapter 4: What unique features does Gamecredits offer to developers?
But at the same time, we do not see many projects that are really using this technology. And this is exactly what we're doing and what we're going to deliver. we're really going to make changes in a couple of industries thanks to crypto and blockchain. This is our goal.
So therefore, when you're asking to talk more about gaming company that we've been building all here together and the outcome of this company, I prefer not to talk about the company that we have, but about the things that we will deliver this year already for all the industry and how exactly blockchain is capable to change this industry.
I want to talk more about that, but people will, like when you say we're going to release this and it's going to be X, they'll believe you more if they understand more about your past success. So quickly give us a window into that. When did you launch your game? You launched in 2004, right?
2004, we organized the company. Then after three years, we released one of our successful games, Fragoria. This is a well-known MMORPG localized on 15 languages, like millions and millions of users worldwide. This is one of our success stories. So thanks to that game, we became the company where we are at the moment.
And how does that game help you make money?
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Chapter 5: How does Gamecredits plan to penetrate the Indian market?
Do you sell virtual goods? What's the revenue model?
Yes, it is a free-to-play game. It's still available. You still can enjoy this game. And yes, monetization is based on selling virtual items.
And what percentage of those millions of users decide to buy at least one thing?
Well, approximately 5% of players buying something inside of web games. It is a web game in mobile. This amount is a little bit less, but still, this is exactly why we so much believe in blockchain and crypto, because even in these regards, it could be very much helpful, not only to game development studios to improve their KPIs, but also to gamers to get additional benefits simply playing games.
And we'll talk about it a little bit later.
And that first, so this first game you created, you said you launched the whole business in 2004. As you said, it took you two years to build the game and release your first game. Yes.
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Chapter 6: What strategies will Gamecredits use to attract users?
So you are, you had no revenue those first two years. Yes. As a founder, how'd you support yourself?
We had another businesses, we've got money from there. We didn't run for any fundraising or joining some VCs. No, still we are fully independent, we do not have any VC background or anything. working and growing thanks to the products that we've been developing for these years.
And another project, which is not the game, but the gaming platform, Game Credit Store, that we're going to release very soon. It will be a story changing for the gaming industry and it will happen already this fall. This platform we've been developing for more than two years, again, without any profit coming out of it.
Yeah, so we, let's say, know how to do it without getting any profit, any way investing because we are such believers all over here. We are right now a team of 150 people with offices in four countries. Like, we are so international and we are so big believers and a highly professional team.
And so taking back, so first year you had zero games released and no revenue. Last year in 2016, how many games have you released and what was total revenue?
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Chapter 7: How does Gamecredits differentiate itself from Apple and Google?
By that time we have something about five games, four of them like new games on mobile and exactly the one that you are saying in this short introduction, Pixel Wars, we've been developing again for more than two years, it's going to become available this year and it's again in many ways a revolutionary game, nobody saw anything like that on mobile. But to answer on revenue, well, you know what?
The interesting thing, and maybe in this regards, me and our team a little bit different from all the rest entrepreneurs who's really counting every dollar and all your questions are showing that we shouldn't.
Real quick, I just want to stop you because I don't want you to make you feel like you're dancing. I'm not interested in you counting dollars. You gave up revenue the first two years to make sure you built a quality product.
But I will lose people listening if they don't believe you've had some kind of business success because they'll go, this guy's just losing a bunch of money or he raised a bunch of venture capital and he doesn't know actually how to make a business around it. So just what's the number? What was 2016 revenue?
Eight-digit numbers in revenue we've got, so we're pretty fine with that.
Good. So between $10 million and $100 million? Yeah. Okay. And that's all from selling regular, no crypto, all regular currency virtual goods inside your five games?
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Chapter 8: What lessons does Sergey wish he had known earlier in his career?
Yes.
Well, you know, it's hard. We do not differentiate right now many things due to the fact that we're building a real ecosystem of platforms, games, payment processing, esports, like all of that together connected and bringing us dividends in many ways and many streams coming from. So that's pretty hard for me to tell what is exactly the part of gaming.
Well, let me break that.
I don't consider it anymore like that.
Let me break that down real quick. So when you started, you were obviously just making money from selling virtual goods. And then you said, oh my gosh, our payment processing fee is like 3%. We should build our own to get that margin back. Now you're in the payment processing business. Is that accurate?
Yes. I see. Something like that, yes. And then we understood like platforms taking 30% away from developers. Why we shouldn't have our platform which provide... 90% to developers. And right now we have this platform and preparing for the release. All of this, like we're really preparing to change the story and change the rules.
Sergey, how did you decouple your dependency from, I assume you're talking about Apple or Google Play taking 30%. How are you getting new? I mean, the reason most people are on there is because they help them get new users. Apple and Google do. How did you decouple yourself from those platforms? How do you get new users if you don't rely on them?
Yeah, and that's exactly the moment when crypto is coming, because crypto is capable to help us to monetize audience in a way when developers are capable to receive faster revenue, which is very important, and bigger revenue.
And when we will be able to prove every game developer that in case if he is trying to acquire a user into his game somewhere in Google Play, or he's trying to do the same but trying to lead his user to game credit store, Then he will simply measure trying to compare the difference in return on investment.
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