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781: Crypto: What AirBnB Looks Like In Digital Currency World
13 Sep 2017
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Christophe, again, learned the lesson the hard way. He was early in the crypto space with his DAO, obviously had a bug.
Chapter 2: What is the DAO and why did it fail?
He's moving on now past that, building Slock.it, which basically is just software that sits on top of IoT devices and allows people to get paid for their physical assets or use of their physical assets in cryptocurrency. They've raised $2 million earlier this year, 14 people scaling out there in Europe and elsewhere.
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Chapter 3: How did Christoph Jentzsch contribute to Ethereum?
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Coming up tomorrow morning, I talk to Bruce Pahn. He launched his company in the crypto space. He's now doing $50,000 a month in recurring revenue to build a crypto database to track accuracy. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Christoph Jentsch.
Chapter 4: What differentiates Bitcoin from Ethereum?
His background is in theoretical physics, and he's been part of the Ethereum project since 2014 as a lead tester. At the end of 2015, he co-founded Slock.com. working on the decentralized sharing economy through the connection of blockchain and IoT, Internet of Things. One of the more famous project he was part of was the DAO, the DAO, which we'll talk about here in a second.
Christophe, are you ready to take us to the top? Sure. Okay, what's DAO stand for? What was that project?
called the decentralized autonomous organization so this was a project basically a smart contract on the ethereum blockchain which aimed for connecting people to pull their funds together into one small contract and they could then decide what they want what they would spend it on so whatever they want and they could do a charity they could fund startups they could fund other projects whatever they want
But long story short, it failed.
Chapter 5: What are ICOs and how do they relate to Ethereum?
And we basically worked for giving everybody their money back, which we didn't succeed at. And yeah, that's a very short story. But there's, of course, a lot of things behind it.
So back in episode 758 of this podcast, I had Anthony Delorio on, which obviously he's ex-Toronto Stock Exchange. Some people credit him with one of the early folks behind Ethereum. He said he was a major part. You know the backstory. Would you say he was a major part of founding Ethereum?
Yeah, he was one of the early developed members of the Ethereum Foundation.
And what was your association early on with Ethereum back in 2014?
Chapter 6: What challenges do public blockchains face in scaling?
So I joined summer 2014 as a lead tester. So I was responsible for writing tests and all the clients would run those to see if they are true to the protocol. Because if you think about what Ethereum actually is, it's just a protocol. You define how people interact with each other. And I would write those tests and see, we call them consensus tests.
So to see that all the client implementations, like the C++ client, Python client, Go client, Rust, JavaScript, and so on, that they all would follow the same rules. So that's what I did. I did work very closely together with Vitalik Buterin, Gavin Wood, and Shefi Wilke to ensure that all their clients were in sync.
Interesting. Okay, so what is the, I mean, look, first off, I want to get my audience, I don't know how sophisticated they are with crypto yet.
Chapter 7: How does Slock.it enable a decentralized sharing economy?
So I'm going to give an analogy right now. And then you confirm or deny if this is your view on how the ecosystem works. I view like each, let's just talk about Bitcoin and Ethereum right now. And they're each like two separate railroad tracks, right? And those two different railroad tracks are called blockchains. On top of those railroad tracks, you can build little railroad cars, right?
So one is Ethereum that holds Ether coins and, you know, the other car container on the other railroad track is called Bitcoin and it holds, you know, Bitcoins, right? You know, BTC, right? And then inside of each of those, as startups launch, they can choose to issue those coins for, you know, the new startup they're launching, like Augur was launched on Ethereum or some others choose Ether.
Is that general analogy, have I missed anything?
Chapter 8: What is the significance of programmable money in blockchain?
Does that feel accurate to you?
Yeah, kind of. So in general sense, yes. But if they, like Augur, they launched their own token on top of Ethereum. So they basically... So it wasn't Ether. Yeah, so people sent them Ether and got back Augur token.
So they created basically their own token some compared to shares some say it's more like an app coin so like a token you use to in order to use the app like an amazon gift card or something like this but basically they created their own token of value in exchange for the virtual currency ether.
Got it. And then I recently had on the the the guys behind it was this big gaming crypto company. And the name is escaping me right now. But they I think to the same thing and issued back go mobile tokens, which and it was like a $53 million kind of token issuance. What was that? Do you remember the name of the guy behind that again?
There have been a lot of ICOs recently. ICO stands for initial coin offering. And there are very different opinions about if this is legal or not or good or bad. But that's one of the main applications currently of Ethereum, I would say, in terms of what people use it for. That's also what differentiates Bitcoin and Ethereum. Bitcoin was always meant for being a virtual currency.
Currency meaning you exchange it to trade goods or something else. Ethereum, on the other hand, does have a virtual currency named Ether, but its purpose is to be an open source platform in order to build decentralized applications, what we call DApps. That's the purpose.
And people just used a very simple Dapp, which is just issuing a token, which you can do best on the Ethereum blockchain to fund their projects. We have seen a lot of ICOs and some claim even to say the DAO was an ICO, but it actually really wasn't. But the DAO collected $150 million worth of Ether. So it was the largest crowdfunding back in its time.
And after this, there have been a lot of ICOs, basically crowdfunding projects, getting Ether and in the beginning they kept their contract saying I do not want more than 5 million, 10 million, 12 million and they increased the cap over time. So one example would be the BUD token for the Brave browser. They raised I think it was 35 million in a couple of seconds, like 30 seconds or so.
By the way, Christoph, just to be clear, this is made up out of thin air. The Brave Mobile, they're saying, we want to issue this much worth of value. And then whatever, you know, Coinbase or whatever, you can track the value of these things wherever you want. But whatever the value of a coin is or that's being issued at that time, you just divide that into the 35 million they want to raise.
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