SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
843: SaaS: Call Tracking Convirza on $10m ARR, Major Acquisition to Double Business
14 Nov 2017
Chapter 1: What is Convirza and how did it start?
Founded Conversa back many, many years ago, 2001. First year did, you know, very little in revenue, call it 20K. This was just before 9-11, remember. In 2010, passed 3 million. Now he's at about $10 million in ARR, helping 1,000 agencies and those agencies serving businesses with call tracking, attribution. What is a call worth? Is that channel worth it?
How can our sales force get smarter based off the audio on, you know, sales calls that are going well versus ones doing poorly? Super healthy payback period of nine months, 3% logo turn monthly, just made a major acquisition. This is The Top, where I interview entrepreneurs who are number one or number two in their industry in terms of revenue or customer base.
You'll learn how much revenue they're making, what their marketing funnel looks like, and how many customers they have. I'm now at $20,000 per talk. Five and six million. He is hell-bent on global domination. We just broke our 100,000 unit sold mark.
Chapter 2: How did Convirza expand its customer base through acquisition?
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Chapter 3: What unique features does Convirza offer in call tracking?
Hello, everyone. My guest today is Jeremiah Wilson. He founded a company called Converza over 15 years ago. As the patent holding inventor of the Maculon, the original passive remote conversation monitoring device and sales management system, he shaped the call tracking and marketing analytics industry, which is what obviously Converza does.
He's positioned for capital raises and recent acquisition. Jeremiah, are you ready to take us to the top?
Absolutely.
When you say you're positioned for recent acquisition, what does that mean?
Well, we acquired a company two years ago, a portion of one of our competitors. We could expand our customer base. We felt like they had customers that were using a basic plan, and we felt we could add our component on top.
ARPU expansion. Yeah. Did it work?
It has not been as smooth as I'd like after two years, but it's still yet to be proven.
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Chapter 4: How does Convirza track attribution for calls?
Got it. And how did you find that asset to buy? Were they looking to sell?
Oh, that's a complicated one. There's a lot of pieces. We had a legacy training business where the Maculon that you referred to when we started 15 years ago was for recording calls for training purposes, coaching people on their sales performance. And I was looking to move out of that so we could entirely focus on the marketing side.
And in the process of doing that, they were a buyer and we ended up buying them as well.
Interesting. Okay. So tell us, give us an example for those not familiar with call tracking. What does Converza do and how do you make money? What's your revenue model?
Yeah, call tracking in its simplest form is anybody who takes inbound phone calls and spends money to make that phone ring needs to know where somebody came to click or call, what ad they saw. And we provide them a number to know which ad they called on, whether it's digital, print, billboard.
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Chapter 5: What is the current revenue model for Convirza?
That number is unique. Somebody calls it, and we can say that's the call that it came from. That's call tracking in its cleanest form. And then the other component that we are quite frankly more proud of is that we're actually listening to the call recording with machine learning and able to come back to them not just with keywords but with phrases that say this was a good marketing call.
In other words, you drove the kind of call you wanted from a marketing standpoint and from a sales standpoint, you were able to convert the sale or you missed it and you need to do something about it. So we can tell them what actually happened once the call is actually connected.
So, you know, top salesperson A at company ABC, use the phrase, what price works for you seven times in the last three minutes, people not hitting the quota only use it once in the first two minutes, those people should change.
bingo interesting interesting now that's part two because part one is what drove the call that's highly important to a marketer attribution and then yeah the attribution and then the second piece is what you just referred to on a sales side now how do you track attribution in terms of what that sale actually becomes worth what does it close for do the sales people have to report closed deals back to the system
So they don't have to because the system does that for them. And that's been the breakdown in the past is you're waiting for it's the data hygiene. How well do they type in what happened? We don't have to worry about that because we're going to actually send the trigger from the call right into the Salesforce or whatever the CRM is that they're using.
So let's say you just called me to buy Nathan's Book Company membership LLC for a grand a month. And on the phone, I'm going, hey, yeah, Jeremiah, great. But you know what?
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Chapter 6: How does Convirza maintain a low customer churn rate?
I'll follow up via email and see if I can work out a discount for you if you email your list about our product because you could be a big distribution partner. Okay, end the call. I then follow up via email and say, here's a $700 per month plan. If you attributed that call with your call tracking, you'd attribute it at $1,000 because that's what you heard on the phone.
How do you follow up from other data sources?
Right.
Yeah, so there's a lot to that question, but from other data sources, you're referring to our conversation analytics in particular?
Yeah, like how would you, again, let's say someone spent $1,000 to get you to call me via a billboard ad. I'm making this up, right? Your attribution, because of the voice data you heard on the phone, is $1,000 per month when the deal actually closed at $700 per month, which may or may not inflect if I use that billboard channel over and over again, right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So we're going to know, number one, that that billboard drove it. So we're going to know it's $1,000 call. And we're going to hear on the conversation that you closed it at $700. That's what you're saying.
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Chapter 7: What strategies does Convirza use for customer acquisition?
And then we're going to be able to say you're losing money on this particular deal.
How would you get to $700, though? That's what I'm confused about.
You program to hear it. You're going to hear whatever you want to hear.
No, but it wouldn't be via audio because that's why I gave that example because this happens a lot when I'm on phone calls. It's like, hey, our average price is like five grand per month, but let me follow up via email with something special for you. You know what I'm saying?
Do you have a way to track that? That's not our piece. Our piece is strictly the attribution of where the lead came from and the conversation. If it's something afterward— that's not our objective here. Our objective is strictly the audio, strictly the call. Got it.
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Chapter 8: What are the future goals for Convirza post-acquisition?
How do you make money? But how you would do that is you would, of course, in the CRM, track it all there, whatever CRM you're using. So we're at a time right now where this data is available, but quite frankly, very few people are are capable or want to be capable to get in and actually connect all the pieces. You can do it. There is closed looped attribution.
You can get what you want, but are people really going to take the time to pull all the API and connectors in to actually get the data? We're finding 10%.
Yeah. Yeah. That's 10% of your customer base actually closing kind of the full attribution loop and the means of tracking it.
Yep.
Interesting. How do you make money? Well, that's it. I mean, what's the sale? Like, sorry, is it a SaaS thing? Or is it per call?
Is it per number?
Yeah, SaaS. Okay, billed against what?
And because of the nature of it, it is also a platform fee plus minutes, you'll get a base set of minutes. And then of course, anything that goes over that would be billed out per minute. Yeah, great.
That's super helpful. What's the average customer would you say paying you per month?
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