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Bootstrapping to $50M ARR in Vertical SaaS | Vantaca's HOA Software Playbook
12 Feb 2026
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Chapter 1: What unique opportunities exist in 'sneaky big' vertical SaaS markets?
What I saw as an opportunity, these kind of not sexy vertical software markets that were sneaky big.
What you bootstrapped to in terms of revenue before you took out external capital in 2022?
Call it high single digit millions.
Okay, so between five and 10 million. Sure. If you were doing call it high single digit millions in 2022, let's do the worst case, 5 million. And you also said you 10x'd since then. That would put you at around 50 million ARR this year. Am I in the right ballpark there? Yeah. How many customers are paying for the platform today?
Right around 500 professional community association management companies. That has within it 50,000 communities and over 6 million homes.
Hey folks, my guest today is Ben Kieran. His focus has been to build a successful company with a thriving culture that improves lives of businesses.
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Chapter 2: How did Vantaca bootstrap to $5-10M before seeking external capital?
Avantika's customers, if you haven't heard of Avantika before, they're really building software focused on HOAs, really hard market to sell into. We're going to jump into it today. Ben, you ready to take us to the top?
Let's do it.
All right. So give us context first. JMI is involved in this business as a private equity player. Are you the original founder or you were placed in by P.E. ?
Neither of those things, which is fun. So I joined the team. My business partner is Dave Sawyer, who's the original founder of the business. I joined Dave and a couple of the founding kind of team members who were working in a services business that Dave owned. And kind of this is one of those stories of a vertical SaaS business. a software company that was built out of the industry.
Chapter 3: What is the significance of per-door pricing for Vantaca's growth?
So he owned a community association management company, think HOA management company. Started to work together with some folks in his team to build software for that company. They became the first kind of beta customer, and I joined kind of the next day, if you will.
But there's lots of hard work and blood, sweat, and tears that I did not participate in that first year of kind of beta testing and all that stuff. But I joined Dave and kind of the founding team right at the beginning.
And what year was that?
That was late 2017, early 2018. And what's the archetype there?
Were you like the engineering lead and he was the industry guy? Or what was the relationship?
No, so Dave, definitely the engineering guy. Or sorry, the industry guy. And both of us are engineers, but not software engineers. So he's an electrical engineer by background. I'm a nuclear engineer by background.
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Chapter 4: How did Vantaca expand its offerings beyond pure SaaS?
He spent years and years and years, a couple decades in community association management, partnered with a couple folks who had... built SaaS applications in this space before and kind of wrote the initial code, I came in and grew the team, grew the strategy in the industry. So kind of a couple of technical, non-technical partners, I guess you could call us.
Wait, Ben, you have to connect these dots. How does a nuclear engineer end up running a HOA software company?
It's a great question. I guess there's no... I don't think there is any normal path to running an HOA software company because no one goes to school to... to kind of work in community association management or HOA management as it is. But my path, I went to the United States Naval Academy for my undergrad education and ended up as a nuclear engineer and a submarine officer in the Navy.
So I spent time traveling all over the world, having big adventures, kind of doing that. That was really important to me to serve our country and to do something like that and also to have a big adventure kind of in my 20s, which I am glad and grateful to have done. But I always had kind of an entrepreneurial itch and knew I wanted to build something and loved technology, loved to tinker.
I like to build little projects and do different things.
What I saw as an opportunity, not HOA, I didn't know anything about the HOA market, but these kind of not sexy vertical software markets that were sneaky big, either had a payments component or a financial services component or had a big ecosystem around it, started looking at things in pest control and otherwise, and just through kind of networking and talking to people working in these industries,
Someone actually introduced Dave Sawyer, who is working, of all things, on an HOA management software platform for his HOA management company to me and said, you guys should get together.
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Chapter 5: What indicators signaled Vantaca's transition from capital efficient to capital constrained?
You're talking about all the same things. I don't know what this HOA market is, but let's get after it.
Interesting. Interesting. This makes tons of sense. Okay. So he was in the industry running a management company, had so much pain. He started building his own code, got connected with you. You guys hit the ground running really hard in 2018. I want to fill in the story between 2018 and 2025, but I also don't want to lose the audience if they're going, what the heck is an HOA?
Maybe you're a millennial. They're going, I've never lived in a neighborhood before. Tell us what you sell here while I'm on your website.
What's the product? So we call the industry community association management because it's more than just HOAs.
Chapter 6: How did Vantaca structure its minority private equity deal?
But what the heck is an HOA? An HOA is a homeowner association. Even if you haven't lived in one, you've probably heard of a homeowner association or HOA or some kind of meme about it. It's, you know, these are typically neighborhoods or communities that have some sort of common area property.
Think clubhouses, amenities, golf courses, restaurants, pickleball courts, just nice landscaped grass, anything like that. But it also encompasses condominium buildings. So if you live, if you buy a condo, there is a shared common piece of real estate, it's the elevator, the lobby, the roof, the things like that.
And there's a structure, a little kind of almost like a little city that has a little constitution that are the covenants that kind of manage how you have to live in those communities. You can not do certain things like not paint your house pink, which preserves property values, but you also get benefits like the use of these amenities and common area assets.
So there's a whole industry of specialty property management that really focuses on serving just these community associations, serving owned real estate instead of things like multifamily rental. And those are our customers, those professional community association management companies.
Interesting. And how many customers are paying for the platform today?
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Chapter 7: What role does AI play in enhancing Vantaca's product offerings?
Right around 500 professional community association management companies. That has within it 50,000 communities and over 6 million homes.
Interesting. Interesting. You just sort of broke it down. And sorry, sorry, 50, sorry, 500 logos, 50 K communities, and then 5 million homes, 6 million homes, 6 million homes. Really? And okay. So where are you selling into? Are you bottoms up selling to one homeowner? Then you spread or you're top down selling to the logo?
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely top down. And we even started kind of far up market, large management companies. And we've gone kind of further and further kind of across that segment as we go.
Chapter 8: Why is retaining majority ownership important during growth phases?
So our first customers had, you know, 50,000 plus doors or homes that they would manage at a time. But we sell to the community association management company.
Those folks, we become the general ledger system of record for them and for all the communities that they manage, as well as the system of work for all the work that gets done within that community, coordinating with vendors, collecting dues, paying invoices, reporting, as well as the system of engagement for them to provide a technology kind of front door for all of the homeowners and residents in the communities that they manage.
Most smart software founders upsell against utility metric. Usually it's maybe number of seats. In your case, you could upsell. I'm curious what you upsell against. Number of homes, number of communities, number of pick up all courts that are moving around. What's the thing you upsell against?
Kind of the ultimate North Star metric is number of doors. I mean, we care a lot about the number of primary users early on. We thought about that a lot. The number of professionals working in Vantika every day as community association managers. But ultimately, that North Star metric is the number of doors that are engaging with their communities through Vantica as the front door.
Okay, and that would be your 6 million homes. That's right. Interesting. Industry standards in this space are like between 50 cents and $1.50 a door. Are you sort of in that range?
Yeah, I think that's ballpark the right range to think about for SaaS. Obviously, this can really change depending on are you managing single family, low amenity HOAs in Lincoln, Nebraska, where it's very light what your HOA does for you as a homeowner?
Or are you in South Florida with a highly amenitized condo building where you've got valets and on-site staff and restaurants and other amenities? Obviously, those dynamics change sector by sector in the dynamics of the management company. as well as the range of products that you consume. Are you using other financial services products like payments?
We now have agentic AI kind of throughout the platform that's really changed how our customers engage with us. But that's kind of the right banner way to think about the metrics.
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