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EP 116: Get $25k First Book Advance and Sell 500,000 Copies with Michael Port
17 Nov 2015
Chapter 1: What is the focus of Nathan Latka's podcast?
This is The Top, where I interview entrepreneurs who are number one or number two in their industry in terms of revenue or customer base. You'll learn how much revenue they're making, what their marketing funnel looks like, and how many customers they have. I'm now at $20,000 per talk. Five and six million. He is hell-bent on global domination. We just broke our 100,000 unit sold mark.
And I'm your host, Nathan Latka. Okay, Top Tribe, every Monday I give one of you a hundred bucks to invest in your idea and get to the top. To enter, subscribe to the podcast right now on iTunes and then text the word Nathan to 33444 to prove it. This week's winner was Jesse from up in Chicago. Coming up tomorrow morning, Top Tribe, you're going to hear from Ankur Nagpal.
He made $2 million at 18 and then quit for Teachable, worth $30 million? Okay, Top Tribe, good morning. I have my tea in my hands. You're gonna love our guest today. His name is Michael Port. Now, he is called an uncommonly honest author by the Boston Globe, a marketing guru by the Wall Street Journal, and a sales guru by the Financial Times.
Michael Port is a New York Times bestselling author of six books, count them, six, including Book Yourself Solid and his hot new release, Steal the Show. Michael, are you ready to take us to the top?
Heck yeah.
All right, so let's do this. I'm so thrilled that you're on. First off, tell me about the book launch. Why write another book? Everyone says people just lose money and waste time writing books. Is that true?
Well, I'm sure some people waste money and time writing books. Look, this is my sixth book, and I am not writing another one. No. Although I've said that for the last four, I've said, punch me in the eye if I say I'm going to write another one. But in all seriousness, I think often people ask me, what's the biggest mistake you've made in your journey? And I would say it's writing too many books.
The first book I wrote came out in 2006. Book Yourself Solid was a huge hit.
What's that mean? How many sales?
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Chapter 2: How did Michael Port achieve a $25k book advance?
And then nobody wants to read anything else because they think of you or associate you with that particular type of material. So, you know, if you talk to a lot of my colleagues, often the first books were their really big books. John Jantz, Bob Berg, Chris Brogan. And the list goes on. This is something we've chatted about over the years.
And the other thing is that, as I said, you only have a certain amount of time to promote books. So you've got to make a really clear decision about which titles you're going to be moving. Even, you know, even Malcolm Gladwell's biggest book is still his first book. Still the tipping point.
Yeah. Yeah. What was the one, give me one, you probably did a lot of marketing stuff for Book Yourself Solid to get 500,000 sales again between 2005, well, 2006 when it released. And now what was the one thing you did though that drove the most volume? One, just give us a tactic.
Well, in those days there was no social media. Okay. It didn't exist. Everything was email marketing. And It was, I think, easier then. There were not as many books coming out. The space was just not as crowded. And so those of us who were well-connected, we were able to ask our friends to promote. And in those days, we didn't worry about pre-sales. It was all on the day.
So, you know, six o'clock in the morning on the day of release, we would start- Go. And we would get 20, 30, 40 people to promote via email for us.
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Chapter 3: What mistakes did Michael Port make in his writing journey?
And on the first day it came out, I hit number two on Amazon.
How many did you sell on the first day? Do you know volume wise?
I don't know. I think the first week was about maybe 6,000 copies or so.
And the way you did that was, the number one thing was email marketing. Got your friends to email market for you.
The number one thing was email marketing. And these days it's still harder to get, it's harder to get your friends to promote via email because there's so much noise. So that's number one.
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Chapter 4: How many copies did 'Book Yourself Solid' sell?
And then I'd say the second thing is that I got a book into the hands of the chapter heads for every BNI chapter around the country. That made a big difference.
Oh, smart. Interesting. Top Tribe, isn't this guy gold? Isn't this guy gold? Michael, everyone's going to go buy your books. You're giving it away here on the show. People are going to go buy your books. It's going to be great. Okay, BINs. It's so interesting. So 2008, second book. 2008, third book. 2014, fourth book. 2012, fifth book. Talk to me about Steal the Show. How's it doing?
Still a show. First week it came out, number four on the Wall Street Journal bestseller list, USA Today list, Publisher's Weekly list. It's killing it. And it's still selling incredibly well. And we're now in the sixth week. And my hope is that it becomes an evergreen book. That's what you're looking for. You're looking to write books that have evergreen potential. If you write a book that is...
like the political books, it's got one season in it. If you write a social media book that is incredibly detail-oriented from a tactical perspective with respect- You got like two weeks. You got two weeks. So you gotta keep doing new additions, new additions, and new additions.
And there's some value in that certainly, but most of the folks that I've talked to who are in that space, who've written those kinds of books, bemoan the fact that they wrote that kind of book and wish they had done something a little bit more general and strategic.
But Steal the Show is the book that people are surprised I didn't write first because my first career was as an actor and I had a modicum of success. I was on shows like Sex and the City, Third Watch, All My Children, Law and Order, 100 Center Street. I did The Pelican Brief, Down to Earth, Last Call of the Believer. And then I did hundreds of voiceovers. Voiceovers was my bread and butter.
I used to do 1-800-CALL-ATT.
Guys, doesn't he have a great voice? I mean, look, you can still sell a voice today. I guarantee it.
That's very kind of you. But my podcast, Steal the Show, is one big giant voiceover. I read all of my books. Most authors don't read their books. I read my books. I often joke it's the only thing I'm trained to do because I have a master's from the grad acting program at NYU. Everything I've learned in business, I've just learned on the street.
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Chapter 5: What marketing strategies contributed to the success of 'Book Yourself Solid'?
The link to get your free trial started right now is growthgeeks.com forward slash top tribe. Again, growthgeeks.com forward slash top tribe. Go check it out. There you have it. Okay, Michael Port, my heart is beating faster. I don't know if you can hear it through the microphone, but do you know what time it is? Of course I do. What time is it?
It's time to be at the top of something, I think.
Look, see, this is a little bit of that improv stuff he was talking about. Michael, it is time for the Famous Five. Are you ready? Oh, yeah. Number one.
Well, before you do the Famous Five, I'm going to go back and listen to shows with people that I know who are very slow in there and see how can they keep up with you? Can they match your energy and your pacing and your timing? And I'm going to guess most people can't.
You got to move it, baby. You got to move it.
You got to move. So here we go.
Question number one, favorite business book.
Oh my God. Favorite business book. Yep. I would say John Bogle's book, the little common book of common sense investing.
I love that. Number two, is there a CEO, Michael, that you're following or studying right now?
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