SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
EP 339: The $10M Website Seller Empire Flippers
28 Jun 2016
Chapter 1: How did Empire Flippers start and what services do they offer?
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Chapter 2: What was Empire Flippers' biggest sale and what type of sites do they sell?
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Chapter 3: How do listing fees work and what purpose do they serve?
Our guest today is Justin Cook. He is a partner at Empire Flippers, a marketplace for entrepreneurs and investors to buy, sell, and invest in websites and online businesses. Justin, are you ready to take us to the top? I'm ready to do it, man. All right, let's do this. Okay, Empire Flippers. First off, I love the name. It's big, it's extravagant. Tell me what it does and how you make money.
So we help people buy and sell online businesses and websites, apps, that kind of thing.
Chapter 4: What factors are considered in valuing a website?
So anything from a $5,000, you know, mini niche affiliate site up to a million dollar e-commerce business.
Okay, so can you tell us about maybe the last one that successfully sold through your platform?
I can tell you the biggest sale we've had. We just sold a deal last month for $550,000. It was a content play, mostly Amazon affiliate marketing, makes most of the money through the Amazon Associates program. Okay, and what was that business? Is it public? No, I can't say. I can give you an example of a business that we sold, raveaid.com. It's basically an ecstasy hangover pill site.
Chapter 5: What is the average deal size and how many sites have been sold?
So they sell ecstasy hangover pills, and we sold that business for a dollar. Okay, interesting. So I'm going to go into actually one of these listings to really dive into how this works. So I'm in Home Marketplace. You've labeled it a number, probably because you don't want to reveal the name, obviously, but it's 40448.
There's a section that says about the site, you know, a dropshipping site created and blah, blah, blah. And then down below that, it says it has average gross monthly income of $255,000, $38,000 in net profit with a nice graph there, page views, things like that. So first off, who listed this? Is it the company or is it an investor of the company or you guys or what?
Most of the time it's individual sellers.
Chapter 6: How does Empire Flippers ensure quality among sellers?
So they come to us through our content marketing. It's an individual, maybe a partnership, and they have a business they've had for a year, two years, three years that they're just not interested in moving forward with. They are done, they've moved on. One's got to buy the other partner out. They need money for a house, whatever. Got it. Okay, so what do they pay to list?
So it's a $297 listing fee for the first time you sell with us. It's $97 for any repeat listings.
Oh, do people, I mean, usually buying and selling companies, you know, you figure people do that once every, you know, five, 10 years or so.
Chapter 7: What is the investor program and how does it function?
Do people use this pretty frequently? I mean, multiple times a month?
There are. So there are a bunch of people in our audience, sellers and buyers that have portfolios of sites. They may have anywhere from four or five sites up to 50, 60 websites and, you know, e-commerce and AdSense and Amazon sites. And they're selling off some, buying others on a regular basis.
Okay. Interesting. So that makes good sense. So you've got the $297 one-time fee you said, and then there is the, uh, would you say it was monthly?
Chapter 8: What advice does Justin Cooke have for aspiring entrepreneurs?
Uh, there's a $97 a fee for repeat sellers. To be honest with you though, Nathan, we make very little money on that. That's more of a filter to keep the kind of like, you know, the people are looking, uh, just to get a valuation or they're not terribly serious about listing. They're just kind of trying to get some ideas. It's to keep them out.
It's also to keep out the, you know, kids and their parents' basements with, you know, scammy sites from, from listening with us. Cause they don't
the money okay so let's let's go back a second i just want to get a sense of growth of empire flippers in general what year did you guys found the business in so we started as we started off as adsense flippers back in 2011 but we started as a brokerage we pivoted to a brokerage in 2013 okay okay so pivoted to brokerage 2013 and then i always love asking this question do you remember do you and any other founders remember what first year revenue was
Yeah. Was it super small? I think, yeah, I think we sold about $270,000 of the sites in 2012, I think. But those are our own sites. 2013, maybe, yeah, $370,000 or something like that.
And help listeners understand, is that $370,000? That's the total revenue all the sites did combined? Or that's the fee that you guys made off selling the businesses or what?
That was the total price of all the sites combined. We charge a 15% fee on every business we list and sell.
okay okay all right 15 fee marketplaces are always the most difficult to understand pricing models because there's one time and then there's buyer and seller side and there's monthly and there's fees so let's break this down this listing i'm looking at right now that is doing 245 000 bucks per month in gross revenue has a listed price of 1 million and by the way does empire flippers have an algorithm that lists this price based off the inputs the sellers put in or do the sellers put in the price
we do have an algorithm that's called evaluation tool and it gives potential cells a rough estimate of multiple so they can put all their information in and it'll give you kind of a range and then so that's kind of the objective feature subjectively we look at the business see how long it's been in business and look at all the details to come up with the final multiple
Okay, so on this $1 million deal, let's say that I go in and I'm actually going to buy it today. There's a big button that says make an offer or buy it or make a deposit or buy it now. Let's say I'm going to buy this now. You're saying Empire Flippers as kind of the listing kind of agent will make $150,000 on the sale. That's right. Okay, interesting.
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