SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
EP 386: Hurdlr Saves You Tax Money, 10,000+ Users
14 Aug 2016
Chapter 1: What is Hurdlr and how does it help freelancers?
This is The Top, where I interview entrepreneurs who are number one or number two in their industry in terms of revenue or customer base. You'll learn how much revenue they're making, what their marketing funnel looks like, and how many customers they have. I'm now at $20,000 per top. Five and six million. He is hell-bent on global domination. We just broke our 100,000 unit sold mark.
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Chapter 2: What was the inspiration behind launching Hurdlr?
Good morning to all of you. Our guest this morning is Raj Bhaskar, and he's the founder and CEO of Hurdler, H-U-R-D-L-R, a developer of mobile apps for entrepreneurs, business owners, and self-employed freelancers to easily manage all of their business finances and taxes.
Hurdler is used by thousands of Uber and Lyft drivers, Airbnb hosts, and other on-demand economy participants, as well as designers, developers, writers, and other 1099 economy participants. Now, before Hurdler, Raj was the owner and CEO of Visual Homes, a finance and compliance management platform for real estate.
In 10 years and with no outside capital, he grew that business to process over 200 million in monthly rental payments and manage an estimated 2 million residents and 500,000 residential housing units for subsidized housing programs across North America. In August, the business was acquired by Yardi Systems, a global leader in real estate software solutions.
Raj is an entrepreneur that supports other entrepreneurs, an active angel investor, and has invested 2 million in 40 different startups across the country over the past five years. Raj, are you ready to take us to the top? Absolutely, Nathan. Thanks for having me. Great. Thanks for coming on. Let me just knock out a few quick questions before we get into Hurdler. You grew Visual Homes.
You sold it in 2010 to Yardi Systems.
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Chapter 3: How does Hurdlr's revenue model work?
What was the acquisition price? We haven't disclosed that. Come on. That's like six years ago. Give me a range. Give me a range. A range? More or less than $50 million. A little less than that. Okay, got it. And on the $200 million in monthly rental payments, just real quick, tell us the revenue model. Are you taking a percentage of monthly payments? The revenue model is a SaaS revenue model.
okay so no no percentage on the on the monthly kind of rental payment and we started that business back in 2000. oh wow okay what was that what was the kind of average i guess is the homeowner or the the owner of the multi-unit that they're the ones paying you uh the customers were primarily housing agencies like public and affordable housing agencies all around the country so tier one tier two city uh cities and counties very cool okay so
Is it clear you've now done over 2 million bucks in 40 different companies as an angel investor.
Chapter 4: What unique features does Hurdlr offer compared to competitors?
Is it fair to say you're using proceeds from that acquisition to make those investments?
Definitely fair to say that. And also fair to say using proceeds from that to fund hurdler.
Awesome. Okay. So let's go into hurdler. So did you launch it right after the visual home sale in 2010, 2011?
We launched it a couple of years ago, but definitely started working on it four or five years ago.
Okay. So, Tell us what it, you know, I obviously are in the bio what it does, but tell everyone what does it do and how do you guys generate revenue?
Sure, so for anybody who's freelancing, if you're a self-employed business owner or an entrepreneur, it helps you simply track all of your business-related finances and taxes. And so we built, we actually built a real-time income tax calculation engine for all 50 states in DC. That was the real hard part.
So I can tell whether you're a designer, a developer, or even an Uber driver, like this second,
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Chapter 5: How does Hurdlr track mileage and expenses for users?
How much is your take-home pay or what I call your true profit, right? Your true profit is your earnings minus your expenses minus your taxes, right? Because you're in charge of your own taxes. It's not taken out of your payroll. So I can tell you what you get to keep in your pocket today.
And so names, you know, sometimes people, they use your competitors and then they'll try you if you name one of the, you know, and you say, hey, we are like, or we compete with X. Who do you compete with? Who are you similar to?
So I think a good analogy for us is like a lot of our users have said we're like a mint, but for business. Oh, interesting. So I think that's, I like that analogy because I think that product is mostly focused on consumers and we do, we're more business focused, but for, you know, A large population of consumers are entrepreneurs or freelancing.
And the main thing is part of our engine helps you take advantage of all the tax deductions that are available to you. Most entrepreneurs leave thousands on the table every year.
And yeah, because they don't have the money to hire some expensive accountant to do all that manually for them.
Yeah, I think there's that part.
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Chapter 6: What are the key usage metrics for Hurdlr's success?
And then some of the systems out there just take a lot of time, right? So we're focused on like doing this in seconds, right? You go buy coffee at Starbucks and you take a potential client with you and it's $8 and you can write off half of that. But if you have to spend five minutes doing it, you're really not going to take advantage of that. In ours, it takes two seconds.
Why?
Are you tying directly into my banking or what?
Yeah, you have the option to link it with your business credit card or bank account. Do I have to go in every time and flag these things? Or do you have an engine kind of learning or machine learning system that auto flags business expenses?
Auto flags and you can change it anytime you want. We also do, it can send you push notifications so you don't even have to open that. Oh, cool. Very cool. So is this, I mean, it's like FreshBooks at all or no?
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Chapter 7: How does Hurdlr plan to implement its pricing model?
Actually, we integrate with FreshBooks because FreshBooks does all the invoicing and payments. So in our app, that becomes the earnings part of that true profit formula. And then you take out the taxes from our engine so you know what you can put back in or spend on your other personal items.
Got it. Okay, great. So take us into the business model. You wouldn't be doing this if you weren't building a business and making revenue, but I can't, I don't see any pricing. I just see get the ad button on your website. How do you guys generate revenue?
So eventually, so in the fall, we're going to turn revenue on. We're actually pre-revenue right now. And we've been testing out models and we're turning that on in the fall. And it'll be, it's basically a mobile SaaS business, right? So it'll be monthly, monthly or annual fee.
this is interesting it's the first time i've heard kind of mobile and sas go together are you going to do this through an app store kind of your own system how do you plan to do this app stores got it so that'll be interesting i mean it's we had we definitely so we'll be giving up a cut who are you i was going to say that's a that's a big cut too i mean it'll be your biggest cost of goods sold right um that's really interesting um who is there anyone else that's done kind of mobile sas yet that you're kind of studying their pricing model
Chapter 8: What advice does the guest have for aspiring entrepreneurs?
Not exactly because I think most of the mobile solutions we've seen are the, what do you call it? It's like the add-on basically where the core product is on the web and it's a free product that's an add-on that you first have to have the web-based product and then you sync your accounts. And we're going like pure, right now we're actually mobile only. It's not even mobile first.
so we don't have a desktop product that we've made available I think that's such a healthy way I think to think about product development these days don't even give yourself the excuse of even thinking about desktop just think if mobile phones only existed what would my product look like and then do desktop later right
i think it's uh for what we're trying to do where people don't generally enjoy tracking their finances they like seeing their profit but they don't enjoy doing the tracking part and definitely mobile only works if because we're trying to make it where it only takes a second right so you have to do you have to do mobile the entrepreneurs are on the run right yeah you want to take advantage of any downtime even if you're waiting in line for coffee
These days, everyone's just maximizing use of all their time.
That's right. So what is the what year did you actually launch this thing publicly? Like when did your founding partners get together, divide up equity and actually say, let's do this?
So we did that, I think, two and a half years ago. And then we made the product first publicly available in this past September only.
Okay. So you really started this in 2014 in terms of actual costs. Like, I imagine you started paying people salaries at that point, right?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's correct. So how much are you in? So I mean, you've been able to a lot of people say you read Paul Graham stuff. They say, hey, listen, sometimes the longer the person that can stay free, the longest wins because you get the most market share. But you can only do that if you've got capital right to sustain. You have some of your own capital.
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