SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
EP 518: See 20 deals, invest in 2 between $75k-150k pre seed, likes b2b saas for investments
24 Dec 2016
Chapter 1: What is Dinesh Kandanchatha's background and expertise?
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Chapter 2: How does Dinesh generate revenue through his investments?
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Chapter 3: What are the typical compensation structures for board members?
You have that to look forward to tomorrow morning. What is going on, guys? Nathan Latka here. Our guest this morning is Dinesh Kundanchada. He is a founder, mentor, speaker, and above all else, an entrepreneur. He encourages founders to ask the right questions, navigate challenging decisions, and finding the tough answers that are sometimes difficult to face.
He's bought, built, sold, led, and or invested in over 13 companies. He really knows what it takes to transform a business. We're going to dive in today.
Chapter 4: What is the definition of an accredited investor?
Dinesh, are you ready to take us to the top? Let's go. All right. You're one of those guys that does so much. If we don't do a good job by the end of this interview, people still won't know what your main focus is or what you do. So let's try and focus. What's like the number one thing you do? Support entrepreneurs. That's what I do.
And how do you use that to generate revenue, whether it's equity investments or trainings? How do you make money?
I make money by investing in capital gains against those investments in the form of either an exit through public markets or acquisition by a strategic or financial partner. The other ways I make money is by actually operating.
Chapter 5: How does Dinesh evaluate potential investment deals?
That's the number one way I make money. I also do some consulting work and board work, but that's mostly just investing. That's just mostly to support the entrepreneurs and put a dollar beside it so that people don't ignore what I say.
What do people think? This is something that's interesting that a lot of people wouldn't know about unless they had the chance to listen to a visit episode like this. For a board seat, what do people typically compensate for that? Is it a couple grand per year? Is it 30, 40 grand?
Yeah, it depends on your structure. You can either get paid per meeting, and it depends on whether you're an independent director or not. Independent directors are typically paid for their time. But if you're... If you're a board member in a private company, you might have more responsibilities, some more operational responsibilities. So that might be a retainer.
Usually it's a small retainer along with some equity position.
Okay. What is this? Define small retainer. Four or five grand? What?
Yeah, I guess small is all relative. So, you know, a thousand to five thousand bucks.
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Chapter 6: What was Dinesh's biggest failure in business?
a month. Um, and if you think about it, what you have to do is whatever you're getting paid, you have to generate 10 to 20 times that in value. Otherwise you won't keep, you won't keep your seat. So if you can't, if you're getting paid a thousand bucks a month, you better be able to generate $20,000 in either cost savings or revenue growth.
Um, and so, you know, most board guys are getting paid that plus maybe options and then range of, you know, thousands or even hundreds of thousands. So you might pay a board member, you know, a couple of hundred grand over a year. So they have to generate, you know, Between the retainer plus the options and multiple times the exercise price. Millions of dollars in value.
Yep. Yep. Very cool. And let's just sum that total up. So 2015, what was kind of the total you made that were not via, you know, capital gains or exits? I'm an accredited investor. So north of 300K. Okay. And define what accredited investor means for the audience.
Accredited investors are investors that have net assets greater than $5 million, have earning in the last two years of greater than, it depends by market, but I think $200,000, if it's a single individual, if it's a family, it's 300. And there's a few other things, but the idea is that you are accredited to take part in highly risky and speculative transactions.
And do the $5 million in net assets, does it have to be kind of liquid or can it be real estate or things like that?
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Chapter 7: What is Dinesh's most significant success story?
I think it can be anything.
I, I don't know.
I'm not a lawyer, but I, I believe it's, it's, you know, it's kind of your personal balance sheet.
Got it. Very cool. Okay. Let's, let's flip to the other side, which is where you're making money. Uh, do you have a fund you invest out of, or is it just personal fight? It'd be no personal money.
It's personal money. So I, I've been very fortunate and blessed to do, uh, A bunch of startups, some have failed. A couple have been fairly successful. So the result is I try to reinvest those gains back in private companies. And I do to the tune of two a year. I probably see around 20 deals a year of which I would invest in two.
Um, and a bunch of the other ones I continue to advise 20 deals you invest into about how much reinvesting in each company between 75 and 150 K depending on what's there. And, you know, it's small, it's small money, I guess in some ways, usually, right? Yeah. And I'm really early. I'm pre series a often precede. And what I'm trying to do there is,
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Chapter 8: How can listeners connect with Dinesh for insights on investing?
take my capital and amplify it with my network and my experience. So you need to take 75 K worth of capital, but then I'm working with you. I'm putting a day into your business and a day a week.
And the goal would be for six to nine months to work with you to really scale that up and then bring a deterministic business model to an institutional investor with upside so that they could go in and get you your one to two to 3 million in your, you know, your, your,
seed round or your series a and then i can step away hire my my fire myself hire my replacement and you guys can go the founder can go build hopefully uh you know an eight-figure business i want to talk more about that in a second but first tell us about your most spectacular fail with the biggest explosion the hottest flames what just blew up in your face the worst
well that would be right after i uh i kind of i worked and sold the first company in the late 90s um as part of a technical team there that did real-time operating systems um and you know we got acquired by a semiconductor vendor and then went public on the london stock exchange
And then I left that firm and decided to try to start something out on my own and proceeded to get sued by my previous company. Was that techsupport.ca? No, no, that was in between and got sued by my previous company. What else happened?
So Precise sued you?
Yeah, well, the person that acquired Precise sued me. Non-compete or what? What's that? Non-compete and intellectual property infringement. Interesting. Both of which, you know, frankly, I didn't believe I was doing.
Did you kick their ass?
Well, it's the funny thing I learned about that process is it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong. No, totally. It just puts you on the sidelines. And so I ended up spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal battles instead of building my company. And the result of that was my company went bankrupt. Did you win? Not bankrupt. It wasn't going to stick.
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