SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
Evotix hits $17m ARR, 6 Months from breakevent, 5+ Year Track record of 40% YoY Growth
17 Jan 2023
Chapter 1: What is SaaS Open and why is it significant?
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Guys, Evotix.com, they've grown from call it a 10, $15 million run rate a year ago to now over 17 million. So call it 50% year over year growth. They've only added 10 extra people. So that's efficient growth. They've got plenty of cash in the bank burning somewhere. Net burn wise, call it 100, 200 grand per month with a clear path to profitability or break even midway through 2023 here.
It's the definition of controlled growth, not irresponsible, all out growth, burning millions per month, controlled growth. Hey folks, my guest today is Matthew Elson. He's the CEO of Evotex. He's transforming how companies manage health, safety, and risk and engage with their employees, delivering safe, nurturing, and compliant workplaces. Matthew, you ready to take us to the top?
Yes, I am, Nathan. you were one of our top episodes last year. And I think it's because you told the story of how you effectively bought software for like a dollar and then grew it to $14 million in revenue. That is Evotix. Walk us through, if folks missed that episode, walk us through what customers you serve and how they use you. Yeah. So we serve mid-sized businesses.
We think of it as organizations of between 250 and 10,000 employees per and we help them to meet their health and safety needs. So if you're responsible for health and safety, you need to record, investigate your accidents, You need to understand your risks and mitigations. Your people are trained. Your assets are inspected. Your contractors are competent.
Lots of our target customers are still doing that with pen and paper and Excel spreadsheets. Obviously, that's inefficient. It's difficult to demonstrate your compliance. And you can't really learn anything from your data.
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Chapter 2: How has Evotix achieved $17 million in ARR?
So just to be clear, your success team has no responsibility for driving up sales, the customer management team does. Well, everybody who's in part of the wider customer success family, of course, has a role in making customers happy and happy customers buy more. So in that sense, yes, all of our customer success teams have a role to play.
But in terms of the actual commercials and driving the commercials, it's with the customer development managers who sit within the new business team. Okay. How many customer developer managers do you have? We've got three. Three today. And how big is the total? And then we've got a couple of sort of BDR equivalent roles. And how big is the full customer success team today?
Customer success team is about, I'm going to say, 35 probably. And then what's the total team size? Everybody at the company. Yeah, but within customer success, I'm including customer success managers, support team, implementations consultants, solutions consultants. And what's the total team size? The whole company is 160. Okay. So you've hired about 10 people since we last chatted back in July.
You told me back then revenue was about 14 million. So you've added about a million bucks of run rate. Is that accurate? Yeah. I think July may have been $14 million. I'm now saying 15 million pounds. So there's a difference there. Okay. Sorry, when you told me you're finishing with 15 million this fiscal year, that was pounds or US dollars? 15 million pounds. Okay.
So that would be what, 17 million, something like that? Yeah, something like that at the current exchange rate. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. So 17 million in ARR, 160 folks on the team, 10 new hires. You've got the CS role cranking. Talk to me, you mentioned one of your key things in terms of upselling is obviously they're buying new features, right? Or new functions is what you said.
What are some new features you've built over the past six months that is enabling you to drive and sell into new functions? Well, I mean, partly it's that the initial purchase tends to be a more limited set of functionality, so instant risk audits. And then we have other modules like people in training, assets, contractor that people buy.
But a lot of our upsell is being driven by a solution which we call Learn. And that's about embedding rich content in day-to-day activity. So your classic kind of LMS is a classroom experience, right? You go and you study it and maybe you do some quizzes and you demonstrate that you've done your studying. We're embedding micro video in day-to-day workflows.
Uh, so that, uh, imagine this use case, right? So I'm a, I'm an engineer. Uh, my job is to, is to overhaul this piece of equipment and I haven't done it for six months. What do I do? You're talking physical. You're working on an assembly line. I'm on an assembly line. I mean, I'm in the plant and I'm doing an overhaul. So what would I do traditionally? Well, I'd go to the filing cabinet.
I'd get out the file.
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Chapter 3: What strategies are driving Evotix's 40% year-over-year growth?
Hopefully I'd read some of it. Uh, you know, maybe I'd fill in a paper form to say that I was ready to go. Imagine how much more engaging and compelling that is. If I go to the machine with my tablet, I scan a QR code. It shows me some video and some diagrams. I do an online quiz. I do a point of work risk assessment. I do my lockout tag out and off I go.
And so you can see that we come at that from a safety perspective. So for us, that's doing the job safely, but actually it's doing the job effectively. And so that's putting safety right at the heart of core operations. And that makes the solution very sticky because it's an operational solution and not just a sort of a compliance solution, as some people might think of safety.
Now, just to be clear, I mean, are you working mainly with, you know, you have a bunch of industries on your website. Is the biggest one manufacturing in terms of what represents the most revenue? Yeah, manufacturing is the biggest, but that'll be about 20%. So we've got pretty good referenceability across a number of sectors. What's the second biggest?
Manufacturing, construction, transport, logistics, food and drink, retail, municipalities, housing, we've got great referenceability across all of those sectors. And just to be clear, it's not just like, hey, worker on the assembly line, watch the safety video so you don't break your hand in an assembly line machine. It's also mental health as well, right? Right. So so it's about more widely.
It's about engaging employees and giving them a safe and healthy environment. So, you know, we can all see the kind of ESG agenda by the ESG agenda. You different people have different views, but there's a reason why we're talking about ESG, which is that we expect employees. organisations, companies to be good, responsible corporate citizens.
And part of that is about looking after their employees, keeping them safe, but also looking after their mental health and their wellbeing. Some of the biggest challenges that companies have is about engaging with their employees, ensuring that their employees are happy, competent to do the job, effective.
And particularly with the rise of remote working, that division between home life and office life is breaking down. And so more and more organizations see that they've got a role in helping employees to lead fulfilling work and work lives and social lives. Let's go macro here for a second. Since the last time we chatted, interest rates have gone up 4%. Equity markets have basically shut down.
And what I like to say is the capital efficient founders are the ones that are going to survive, right? So you are very, I would say, capital efficient and very creative, especially considering your origin story. I think founded in 1995 as She Software. I forget how you got involved, but you took it over eventually.
And then I think you went out and did a 6 million Series A in 2018, a 5 million Series B in 2020, and a 50 million valuation. What are you seeing today in terms of valuations? I mean, it's really hard to say, isn't it? I mean, obviously, the public markets are way down. My reading of it is that solidly performing SaaS businesses are still getting good multiples. What does that mean?
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Chapter 4: What challenges do companies face in health and safety management?
We're slightly cash burning, but very much controlled. And obviously in the current environment, we're very much keeping an eye on that. So we will be cash breakeven by the middle of next year, or middle of this year rather now. Stig Brodersen And when you say sort of controlled or manageable burn, I mean, are we talking like 100 grand net burn a month or like a million net burn per month?
Oh, closer to 100 grand than the million, right? We've got plenty of cash on the balance sheet to see ourselves through to breakeven. Stig Brodersen So I guess, how do you define plenty of cash on the balance sheet to get through to breakeven? Is it a number of months of runway? And if so, what's the number you're optimizing for today?
Well, given that our cash burn is declining, we've got enough cash to go through to breakeven.
Chapter 5: How is employee engagement integrated into Evotix's solutions?
So in that sense, the burn rate isn't an issue. Yep. And you think it's going to take you about 12 to 16 more months to get to breakeven? No, no. I said by the middle of this year. Oh, this year, not next year. Middle of this year. I corrected myself because, of course, we're now into January. We are. Happy New Year, everyone. Welcome to 2023. All right.
So if you're burning 100 grand, 200 grand a month times six months, you're basically saying you've got more than 1.2, 1.5, whatever million in the bank. You feel very good about that position? Yeah, yeah. And we've got plenty of cash to trade through, yeah. Matt, what about the other side of this, right? I mean, in a recessionary period, creative founders like you can excel.
You've already proven your chops in terms of deal making. I mean, are you looking at rolling up other EHS companies right now and how do you make sure you stay creative? No, we're not fundamentally looking at sort of an industry consolidation play, because I think the technical integration is a big diversion. It's a tough job already growing a company fast without facing that.
But we're interested potentially in some integration. we could do some sort of bolt-on technical acquisitions where there's interesting technology out there, particularly around image recognition. Would you target like two to three person tech teams pre-revenue so you're not paying some big financial multiple? Think of it as tech acquisition and a bit of acqui-hire. Yep. Yep. All right.
That makes a lot of sense. We're rooting for you. Now, any plans right now to raise capital? Do you have term sheets from anybody or no, you're good? Nope. No, we're good. All right. Very good. Matt, on that note, let's wrap up here with the famous five. Number one, favorite business book? The Hard Thing About Hard Things. Number two is that, by the way, you're consistent.
Same answer as seven months ago. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? Yeah, nobody's specific just now. I mean, everybody looks at Elon Musk, but not to follow his playbook. Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building EvoTix? So I think I said last time, 15.5, which is a great tool for employee engagement. You did.
David and his team over there are doing a nice job. Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? About eight. That's good. And situation, married, single, kids? So I have a partner and a stepdaughter and a grandchild. Oh, that's very exciting. And did you have a birthday or you're still 56? No, I'm 57. Happy late birthday. Last question.
Something you wish you knew when you were 20? I think that there's no need to rush things. You build your experience over time. You keep your eye open for opportunities. And that's how it all comes together. Guys, Evotix.com, they've grown from, call it, a $10, $15 million run rate a year ago to now over $17 million, so call it 50% year-over-year growth.
They've only added 10 extra people, so that's efficient growth. They've got plenty of cash in the bank burning somewhere. Net burn-wise, call it $100, $200 grand per month with a clear path to profitability or break-even midway through 2023 here. It's the definition. of controlled growth, not irresponsible, all out growth, burning millions per month, controlled growth. We're big fans.
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